Crashes in the News - Thread

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  1. Aug 18, 2019 #2621

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    Hephaestus, good video.

    2 thoughts.

    Stalls should be practiced. Getting a feel for when the wings let go, the sounds, the reactions of the plane. This is type dependent, and a serious safety hazard, you don't want to be low while you stagger a Glasair around a minimum edge speed turn. Moreover, deliberate stalls are psychologically different than accidental ones. So having an instructor onboard who IS expecting trouble and puts you into unexpected stalls is good training no matter how many hours you have. And by "unexpected" I'm talking about discussing your goals ahead of time. You want to go up & have fun, passing control back & forth, pulling some Gs, landing on invisible strips a mile up, practicing unusual approaches & " sleep through it routine", with random "gotcha" moments to challenge you with backup right there. Ideally.

    Spin training is another story, which I won't address, but am opinionated about.

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    Some first aid training is a very good thing to have, and you never know when you're going to need it.

    I've done decades of volunteer first aid work with the SCA, and have numerous anecdotes, but my Karma keeps putting me in the first responders role at motor vehicle accidents in mundania. As a professional driver my exposure is higher, but my personal experience is that I must be cursed, or others blessed, depending on perspective.

    If you fly. Anything. You have a higher exposure to risks than most. This is true in your shop too. Having a little training to keep someone alive until the pros arrive is a real good thing.
     
  2. Aug 18, 2019 #2622

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    That pilot lost control in the turn. Pilots need more training about low speed and low altitude turns.
    Especially in the mountains where the horizon is obscured. It takes more angle of attack to turn, and pilots sometimes forget about that and exceed the critical angle of attack, because they are distracted while turning.
     
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  3. Aug 18, 2019 #2623

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    Yeah, partly why it rang true for me and I reposted. I've been playing in a cub with some friends on gravel bars - about 2 weeks ago I landed on a similar locale (at least was able to watch them land first). We ended up spending the night there as an hour later all around us was tornado and severe thunderstorm warnings.

    The provisions for an overnight stay in a mountain pass were a bit lacking (nobody got hypothermia, but we sure had to keep a big fire going).

    If I'd missed that approach, I can't say as I'd have faired better... Low and slow isn't something I do a lot of.
     
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  4. Aug 22, 2019 #2624

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    Bonanza ditches in the ocean off of Half Moon Bay. This was filmed by the people on the plane and by the plane circling overhead, then there are selfie interviews by the pilot as they float waiting for rescue. They didn’t have any flotation gear with them and the plane sank quickly, leaving them to deal with the cold and jellyfishes.


     
  5. Aug 22, 2019 #2625

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    Hmmmm... just happened to be two miles out at 1000 feet.o_O
     
  6. Aug 22, 2019 #2626

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    There was a large dust devil that came through 7S5 Independence juts before the start of our annual fly in & Vans Aircraft reunion. It trashed a new canopy that was set up for the ramp people and broke a tie town on Robin Reid's 2 place Schweizer. Luckily it was before the aircraft started arriving. IMG_1525.JPG
     
  7. Aug 22, 2019 #2627

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    Yeah...in that area, especially at this time of year, cold and jellyfish would not be my primary concerns.
     
  8. Aug 22, 2019 #2628

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    My head hurts... Why... Why...

    With a bunch of recent upgraded and maintenance done no less...
     
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    ABC evening news reported he has done stunts in the past to promote his business.
     
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    I hear ya. I don’t recall hearing mention of sharks, but I did fast forward through some of it. Someone said they had whales breaching nearby... probably sharks pretending to be whales.
     
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    People don't often notice sharks even when they pass within a couple of feet. I recall a couple of paddle boarders who didn't realize they had a white shark escorting them until they were shown a video taken from a drone.
     
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    Dudes who want to fly with lotsa particles in the fuel could fly these.
     

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    Flies over open water, without life vests for all aboard, and,
    loses his airplane...
    but... he had a waterproof cell phone.

    Funny, I had a dropped call
    ( I accidentally dropped my cell phone in the toilet), and it quit instantly!
    So, I stay within gliding distance of land...
     
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    Charles_says ... Hmmmm...What company did the mod-work?

    The actual ditching occurred fairly close to HMB... but did require Coast Guard air-rescue.

    Go to Google Maps... and view 'Half Moon Bay CA airport' with over-lay satellite image. The single RW is on a 'projecting 'thumb' of land [not quit a peninsula] parallel to the coastline. Approach to either end of the RW will likely take turns over the ocean for 'noise/nuisance' abatement... in-lieu-of landing pattern over the land/city side of the RW [and probably rising terrain].

    Sudden engine failure in an unfamiliar acft [or acft that is unfamiliar due to extensive mods] at relatively low-level presents many challenges and few options... and I'm sure that the incidental flight over ocean was not in any calculation.

    The FAA, and the state of CA, will want the acft recovered for examination and pollution/contamination abatement.

    The reason for engine failure will likely be evident in the investigation. Unlike people, the 'wreckage' is always honest to a thorough investigator.
     
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    Dale must be hanging out with Jack Roush. How many has he crashed now? 3 I think.

    Derswede
     
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    The take away for me was that if you are going to land at a no go-around strip, you ought to take a good look at it first.
     
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    If I'd been in that Bonanza, I'd have started swimming for shore.
    1. Rescue may or may not turn up before I froze.
    2. It would keep me warm...
     
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    I thought he said he was out looking at a fog bank or something.... like whatever.
     
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    There are at least a half dozen light aircraft in that area with unrecovered victims that they didn't bother to pull up over the years. I would honestly be shocked if either were willing to fork over the money for a recovery from probably 80-120 fathoms (480-720 ft; the depth I recall for the area off HAF although it's been a while since I looked at the charts). That's not something where you call the local salvage company and be like "Hey Bob, come dive down and hook the lift bags to this thing".

    You don't read a lot of NTSB reports do you? Unless the dumb*** killed the engine by turning the key and removing it, it'll probably go down (no pun intended) as "engine failure due to undetermined reasons".
     
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    Witnessed crash immediately off shore from an area with multiple Coast Guard stations and a lot of civilian boats.

    If that water is 60 degrees a person can survive between 2-6 hours (up to 36 hours in optimal conditions). In 50 degree water, it's 1-3 hours (on the conservative end of the estimate).

    You know that's exactly the opposite of how that works right? There's a reason we (speaking as a former water rescue team member for a fire department) teach people not to try to swim for shore. Well ,besides the fact that swimming in open water is a different animal from swimming in a pool and that most people are not anywhere near as good of swimmers as they think they are.

    The time to exhaustion for an average person swimming in 50 degree water is between 30-60 minutes. You become hypothermic far faster swimming than you do floating in a huddled position. An amateur with no experience can expect to take a hour at an absolute minimum (due to multiple breaks being needed) to cover a mile assuming that you don't have a current working against you or waves causing you to have to swim a further distance.
     
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