Crashes in the News - Thread

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    I don't think hitting a tree shows that the airframe is weak. Airplanes are not really designed to hit things with their wingtips. If the structure was beefed up enough to be able to have a wingtip strike without failing another part of the airframe, it would add lots of weight. The amount leverage from the wingtip makes for a massive amount of force. From memory, there was a GA aircraft (think Cessna) that had a light wingtip strike on post, just enough to dent the wingtip. On closer inspection, had actually torn the front wing mount away from the fuselage. If you suddenly stop a wingtip in flight, expect something else to break.
     
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    Well last summer the finnish rival to ICON A5 crashed and burned ( name is Atol ): https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/...ker_loses_prototype_in_lapland_crash/10286508
     
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    I do expect it to break something and disperse the load. But I would have thought, tearing off the elevator would be more appropriate or taking a chunk out of it.

    Loosing the entire rear seems a bit excessive. This design already has substantailly more weight than allowed the oppostion and has a special dispensation- amazing what lobbying can do.

    Sure seems that mass of extra weight did not go to beef up the airframe. Must be all the shiny knobs inside. Yes I know I seem very picky and critical but I do like tough airframes.
     
  4. Aug 1, 2019 #2464

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    Is it the kink at the bottom of the ICON A5 from where it snapped ?

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    I talked to the program initial test pilot about the finnish ATOL crash. He said it was the first flight of the new test pilot that the Atol crashed. Possibly not securing the canopy hatch when closing it ( apparently there was a foreign object in the locking mechanism ).

    Many seaplane canopy of that size open shorewise..enabling the pilot and passenger to get a shore with dry feet.
     
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    Any good links to the NV military crash. I assume the pilot ejected. I would think he would be found rather quickly. It may take a bit longer for a high altitude ejection.

    Perhaps the hole was too deep to determine if the seat was in the wreckage.
     
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    Since eyewitnesses reported that the largest piece of wreckage was the size of a ball cap, I expect they will will use DNA testing to ID the pilot.
     
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    Are talking about the Rainbow Canyon F-18 crash I mentioned in post #2460 ? If so, I believe that was still in California. They are still searching for the pilot, but the search is difficult because the terrain is desolate, hilly desert that is mostly inaccessible. I’m hoping the pilot was able to bail out unseen at higher altitude, but since that range is used for low altitude nap of the earth training, I suspect he went down with the plane or had an unsuccessful ejection. Had he bailed out at low altitude (successfully), the witnesses would have likely seen the ejection and parachute, and the chute would likely have been seen in the aerial reconnaissance that followed. If he went down with the plane, identifying a body in the wreckage may be difficult... the aerial photos I saw just showed a very compact scorched patch of rocky dirt on the hillside with no real identifiable pieces of structure.

    The search is continuing with lots of boots on the ground. Time is crucial because summer survival in Death Valley is difficult. I’m hoping they find the pilot alive (it’s happened in the past). I don’t want to see any pilot’s or military personnel killed in training, plus I have several friends that fly in that squadron and the Navy has not yet publicly identified the pilot of that plane.

    Incidentally, the seven people that were injured from the flying debris were a group (Italian or French) tourist, all from the same family, but they are all OK, with the most severe injury being one person with burns on their back which the hospital treated.
     
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    Just heard that the Navy confirmed that the pilot was killed in the crash. No further details and, per policy, the name won’t be released until 24 hours after next of kin have been notified.
     
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    My condolences...that is risky business to fly fast and low.
     
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    And, oh yeah, let’s push the plane by the trailing edge of the elevator.
     
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    VW engine (Revmaster) on that KR-2. Kinda fitting, that it ended up at a Jiffy Lube....

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    I like that ultra simple solution to a flip up canopy mechanism.
     
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    Me too.
     
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    Nice. I wonder if it locks up. I had my Sonex canopy blow shut on a windy day and cracked the plastic.
     
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    Maybe no up lock but all one needs to do is incorporate a "no slam" toilet seat hinge in the mechanism. That would allow it to close slowly like it's landing on a pillow.
     
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