# Could I do this aviation job?

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#### choppergirl

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I was browsing jobs today, not even aviation jobs, just all jobs, and came across a Naval Aviator job - and I was like, oh to hell with this, basically you have to already be a jet fighter pilot currently to get a jet fighter pilot job. Nowhere to get your foot in the door anywhere; the aviation industry is some kind of bad joke. /end gripe

Then I came across this oddball... you know I click all the oddball jobs.. (right after Chess teacher), and I was like, well, requirements are pretty generic, sounds like if you had a generalist community college education and were responsible, and the type of person that could stay on top of things you could handle it.

#### TFF

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I think it’s the six months of isolation. Got to get payed to go insane.

On a serious note. Only you chopper, can make the call.

#### TerryM76

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Getting to work on that fleet would check all the boxes for me.....I've often said that if I had the opportunity to work on those aircraft for one employer I wouldn't want to retire.....that Basler DC-3 would be a nice one to add to the list. Anyway....that job posting sure looks enticing if I was a lot younger.

#### Wanttaja

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I think it’s the six months of isolation. Got to get payed to go insane.
Actually, only a relatively small staff remains at sites like this during the winter ("Wintering over," it's called) and there are quite a few people there on other times of the year. That's why the contract length is less than a year. Doubt they even fly during the winter, although emergency flights are dispatched from New Zealand in medical emergencies.

A great reference to flying in the Antarctic is Mark Hinebaugh's "Flying Upside Down." He was a Navy pilot flying ski-equipped C-130s in support of Antarctic operations. Fun read.

Ron Wanttaja

#### Pops

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My son has been about everywhere except the Antarctic. Took new equipment to the Arctic on the ice pack with a C-130 on Skies. Took skids of extra parts for the airplane, stopped on the way and had neoprene rubber sheet put all over the belly of the fuselage to protect for ice getting kicked up. They lost the de-ice on the stab from ice.
6 men stationed for 6 months at a time at the radar station.
Also Gulf War, Somalia in a gunship, Honduras, Africa, etc, etc. Red flag 2 times.

#### TFF

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I had a work colleague who was Navy on the C130s going to Antarctica back in the 80s. It was his favorite posting. He also had a daughter that was on Springer. Met wife in New Zealand during time there. Just a few years ago went back for retirement.

#### choppergirl

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The coolest job, or the coldest job? I'm thinking coldest... walk 100 ft out into a whiteout snow storm and never find your way back.

I imagine a lot of your paycheck is eaten up by rent, living expenses, heating, etc.

There are no pilot's jobs. Stop telling people there are. : - ) There are no pilots jobs for people with no pilot's license and not less than like XXXX thousand hours of jet engine flight time. We all know it takes multi-thousands of dollars just to get a pilots license so bump that, you still got the XXXX hours to log before you're employable, so that's out. No fighter pilots job's either. All my grandfather had to do was have a college degree and sign up. You can forget that, nobody will train you for any job anymore, corporations and recruiters all want to cherry pick from people who already have experience, or rob already employed employees from someone else. That don't work anymore where everybody has to switch careers with almost every job change and start all over again at the bottom.

It doesn't just affect high school/college students. When you're industry tanks, and you have to jump ship and start all over in some other career, any other career, you'll find out soon enough, there are no doors anymore.

I thought about that Navy pilot job that offered no training, only hiring already existing fighter pilots, and it occurred to me... the only way you're going to get that person is if you steal from some other branch... because you're not training any new pilots, not creating any more pilots, you're playing a zero sum decreasing game.

Those A&P mechanic guys don't seem too happy, living out of cars, working all night and going to school all day long. I think I'll pass on that just to be a grease monkey in a thankless job the public doesn't even know exists.

The scary thing is a lot of jobs I do see out there that aren't worthless retail jobs (well, those just evaporated!!), are insane stuff you do not want to take. Ever. Tower Climbers. Explosive Ordinance disarmers. Rescue swimmers. Now, probably Pandemic Patient Caretakers and an upswing in Morticians Basically, stuff that will get you killed (or having you deal with dead bodies, ugh) :-/

This one just looked interesting to me because at least it was aviation related... with no previous experience necessary (ok, they were asking for a year but 1 is close enough to 0, right?), so I was like, hey, wait a minute double take.

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This is really what I want to be doing / building large scale gas powered varirable collective pitch 3D prop quadcopters:

They are not new - 10 or more years old by now - they were the earliest 3D quads - How they work - one govenor speed controlled engine belt/rod/chain driving 4 helicopter tail rotors with slabs for props (vs say 4 independent reversible high kv electric motors). What makes them appealing to me is you could/can use one (or two for redudancy) lightweight high power to weight aircraft gasoline engines with high power to weight gasoline to power all four rotors (vs expensive electric motors & Lipos). Won't find a job building these - anywhere. Even though I think they are going to be one piece of kit of the next hotness when coupled with a cellular link and computer software controlled dispach ground stations.

I've been here 5 years, if I'm a troll, I sure wasted a lot of time that I could of been trolling, posting cool aviation videos I found to autoreply's Big Video Topic long after everyone else quit. Bleah.

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#### Wanttaja

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I imagine a lot of your paycheck is eaten up by rent, living expenses, heating, etc.
I believe living quarters and food are provided. Obviously, they don't want to keep an Albertson's stocked, and they won't want to build excess housing nor install kitchens in each apartment. Better, logistically, to have cafeterias and standardized rooms. None of the land is privately owned, anyway.

Ron Wanttaja

#### cvairwerks

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Have a friend that did two tours at Little America. It’s not for the faint of heart. Lots of isolation, limited access to the outside world and you have to be able to tolerate cramped living with very little personal space and good rapport with coworkers. Due to the logistical costs, they probably won’t take on an untrained new hire for down there. Applying might get you in the door for other operations.

#### narfi

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Do it!
Can't hurt to try.

23yrs ago I took a summer job in an isolated village in alaska as an adventure to go on before starting school and life.

#### crusty old aviator

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Summer down under is winter here, so you’ll be dealing with snow anyway. What you have to possess for this position is a calm temperament, as you’ll be working with many different people, all with their own needs and agendas, and have to weave them all together to limit their expectations so their disappointments are minimized, otherwise they get stressed and then you and everyone else gets stressed and they start questioning to your face why they ever hired you because you’re worthless. This isn‘t a position for dreamers, it’s strictly for doers. There’s no time for what you want because you’re on 24/7 supporting and coordinating everybody and everything down there that needs to be somewhere else. As the posting says: this isn't a full time gig, it’s an ALL the time gig.

Go for the quad copter! Read up on the engineering, design it, scratch build it, text it, tweak it, and when she flies great, debut it. Maybe you’ll find an angel investor to help you put it into production, or sell the rights to it with the proviso that you work in production, and you‘ll be getting paid to build them.

#### Pops

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Today is the best time in history to get a flying job.
I did those dangerous jobs to get ahead, Built smoke stacks to 1268', did the tower climbing, worked setting steel in building high building, etc. Yes, a lot of my buddies got killed. At the time it was more dangerous than being in Viet. Paid good and used the money wisely. Bought an cheap airplane to get my rating and hours.

Retired airline pilot next door came from a very poor family, got a job as a lineboy at the local airport. Lived in a tent in the woods close to the airport for the first summer. Cold weather came and the FBO he worked for let him sleep in the office. Other than food, he spent every penny for flight instruction until he got his instructor rating and the FBO hired him as an instructor. That is the time I met him when he would stop with a student at the airport were I was based. Building time flying any job he could get, hauling checks, hauling freight, then a Corp pilot and then the airlines. Was 18th in seniority when retired. He paid his dues the hard way, but he got to do what he wanted. When he was pumping fuel he told people that he was going to fly for the airlines some day.
You can do it IF you want to bad enough. If not, you will not. Simple as that. Wishing and complaining is a not going to cut it.

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choppergirl.......I'm not meaning to be the bad guy here but it's going to appear that way because I'm going to say what many people are probably thinking but refrain from actually typing.
It seems that you have no interest in actually building and flying anymore...it happens,priorities and interests change with time,no shame in that.
But you keep posting about jobs that you are not qualified to do and have no intention of putting in the hard work,sacrifices and dedication that it takes to acheive the qualifications for the position.
Why go through the effort of complaining about it ?
Most of us understand that you're not happy for whatever reason....but why the constant need,with every post, to reiterate the fact that aviation has done you wrong and you're unhappy ?

As to your comment about wasted time.....yes,yes you have wasted a considerable amount of your life constantly complaining about things instead of putting in the work required to acheive a goal that would make you happy.
I don't think you're a Troll but I do think you're unhappy and misery loves company so you keep posting in hopes that others will jump on the bandwagon with you.

It seems that you are really into the quadcopters now days.....
If you haven't already,why don't you check out some of the rc & quadcopter forums to see if anyone can help you get into that field ?
The quads are big business right now and finding gainful employment in that field should be relatively easy and you would probably enjoy it.
Make a living and have fun at work....win,win.

As I said,I truly don't mean to be the bad guy but it seems aviation is a burr under your saddle now days......so why keep making yourself miserable ?
Get into the quads and start enjoying life every day.

Kevin

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#### D Hillberg

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"Can I do this aviation job?" Your question.

You talk too much and do too little.

#### don january

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Tho your alone and on your own you feel like "hey" this is something I can do and it just may be ? But the bottom line is can I leave this all behind ? and to keep with airplanes were do they go ? What ever road you take keep the Forum posted and if possible take one of the birds with you.

#### mcrae0104

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I've been here 5 years, if I'm a troll, I sure wasted a lot of time that I could of been trolling, posting cool aviation videos I found to autoreply's Big Video Topic long after everyone else quit. Bleah.
I always wondered, "What is the sound of a melting snowflake?" Now I know.

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