Concepts only: Doodles without numbers

[EzyBuildWing]

Great thread this!
BillyVRay's lowest sketch looks a bit like an Evans VP-2 with an UglySchtick fin&rudder.......
Maybe VP-1 and VP-2 would be good a/c if fitted with Rotax 4-stroke......then again aerobatic Tipsy Nipper with Rotax 4-stroke might be pretty awesome too!

 

[TFF]

What is mostly missing on the Stik is a correct mostly symmetrical airplane airfoil and optional flat wing.

 

[cluttonfred]

All joking aside, the Ugly Stik could actually be a great inspiration for a design even simpler than a Volksplane.

Set the wing with a flat-bottom airfoil and without dihedral or twist right on top of the longerons, which are angled down from forward bulkhead aft to the tail to set the wing incidence. No struts, no wires, just a one-piece cantilever wing and flying surfaces with metal hardware. No wing folding, just a big slab of a wing that can be removed in one piece for transport in a pinch. 20' span will fit in a single-car garage lengthwise, with another foot on each end for the raked tips, call it a 5' chord, so you've got about 102.5 sq ft of wing area. Keep it light and it will fly fine on a 50 hp 1600cc VW with no need for flaps because with that 4.7 aspect ratio it will not float. Cockpit entry will be awkward but you can add hand- and foot-holds and a roll-bar to hold on to when getting in and out. Mount the windscreen on the wing with a round cutout for the pilot and keep the wire trailing edges and the big round rudder for fun.

Seriously!

PS--To scale up the concept for a side-by-side two-seater with 50% more gross weight, increase the wing chord to 6' and the span to 26' including the raked tips, that will give you 147 sq ft of wing area and a 4.6 aspect ratio, and power it with an 75-80 hp big-bore VW. All passengers must wear a leather flying helmet, white silk scarf, and flying goggles with integral Groucho Marx nose and moustache, selfie camera is mounted in the instrument panel.

 

[TFF]

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[fly2kads]

OpenVSP model of my slowly evolving Supervee sport racer concept.

 

[BJC]

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OpenVSP model of my slowly evolving Supervee sport racer concept.

Start with a Cosmic Wind, ....


BJC

 

[fly2kads]

Start with a Cosmic Wind, ....


BJC

And throw in a little Denight Special.

 

[syclone]

Wrap your head around this!

 

[BJC]

And throw in a little Denight Special.

Had to look up the DDT.

Nice. Thanks,


BJC

 

[syclone]

 

[TarDevil]

you're gonna be hearing from Phil Kraft's lawyer

I always thought his Super Fli was a handsome plane.

 

[TFF]

Super Fli is one of my favorites. I would like to build a copy. A One Design is very similar. I think the original is on the east coast with a 540 replacing the 360.

 

[AeroER]

Billy, I'm afraid you're gonna be hearing from Phil Kraft's lawyer about using that Ugly Stik tail three or four times

That was an unintentional quote.

No numbers, just variables. I need to experiment with image posting.

 

[Radicaldude1234]

What software did you use? Looks good.

I use Solidworks.

Another that I dug up from the bowels of my HD:

 

[cluttonfred]

I keep coming back to this as something that might actually be worth pursuing. Take a few influences from Bud Evans's unbuilt VP-3 to tweak the Ugly Stik layout and offer standardized bubble canopy and tricycle gear options and you could have a very simple design with broad appeal. The all-moving vertical tail forward of a top-mounted horizontal stab like the VP-2 would be less susceptible to ground damage and provide some spin resistance. If wood is too expensive then an aluminum tube and gusset fuselage with aluminum wing and tail structure, all covered in Oratex, would do the trick.



(Evans VP-3 renderings by FritzW)

All joking aside, the Ugly Stik could actually be a great inspiration for a design even simpler than a Volksplane.

Set the wing with a flat-bottom airfoil and without dihedral or twist right on top of the longerons, which are angled down from forward bulkhead aft to the tail to set the wing incidence. No struts, no wires, just a one-piece cantilever wing and flying surfaces with metal hardware. No wing folding, just a big slab of a wing that can be removed in one piece for transport in a pinch. 20' span will fit in a single-car garage lengthwise, with another foot on each end for the raked tips, call it a 5' chord, so you've got about 102.5 sq ft of wing area. Keep it light and it will fly fine on a 50 hp 1600cc VW with no need for flaps because with that 4.7 aspect ratio it will not float. Cockpit entry will be awkward but you can add hand- and foot-holds and a roll-bar to hold on to when getting in and out. Mount the windscreen on the wing with a round cutout for the pilot and keep the wire trailing edges and the big round rudder for fun.

Seriously!

PS--To scale up the concept for a side-by-side two-seater with 50% more gross weight, increase the wing chord to 6' and the span to 26' including the raked tips, that will give you 147 sq ft of wing area and a 4.6 aspect ratio, and power it with an 75-80 hp big-bore VW. All passengers must wear a leather flying helmet, white silk scarf, and flying goggles with integral Groucho Marx nose and moustache, selfie camera is mounted in the instrument panel.

 

[mcrae0104]

Seems like every year after Reno, things like this start showing up in my notebook...

 

[Riggerrob]

I use Solidworks.

Another that I dug up from the bowels of my HD:

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What type of engine?
You may need to move the wing forward to balance.
Most tandem two-seaters sit the forward pilot near the center of gravity.

 

[Victor Bravo]

The Ugly Stik and Falcon 56 both benefited greatly by having a Williams Bros. plastic pilot on top of the wing, in a position where he could not see s**t on landing, and so the actual command pilot was 200 feet away from the aircraft.

A full size Ugly Stik (or Falcon 56, or Sig Kommander, et al) would (tragically) not give the pilot a good flying experience.

Sitting on top of the spar is the simplest way to a simple airplane. We ought to be talking about Astro Hogs, Quickie 500's, and Dave Robelen Pronto's if we want to go down that road.

 

[cluttonfred]

And so we loop back to the VP-3….

The Ugly Stik and Falcon 56 both benefited greatly by having a Williams Bros. plastic pilot on top of the wing, in a position where he could not see s**t on landing, and so the actual command pilot was 200 feet away from the aircraft.

 

[billyvray]

Do not forget my favorite, the Great Planes SuperSportster line ...

The Ugly Stik and Falcon 56 both benefited greatly by having a Williams Bros. plastic pilot on top of the wing, in a position where he could not see s**t on landing, and so the actual command pilot was 200 feet away from the aircraft.

A full size Ugly Stik (or Falcon 56, or Sig Kommander, et al) would (tragically) not give the pilot a good flying experience.

Sitting on top of the spar is the simplest way to a simple airplane. We ought to be talking about Astro Hogs, Quickie 500's, and Dave Robelen Pronto's if we want to go down that road.