Broad new UAS rules proposed today

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Pops

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I was in the RC model airplane club with Walt Good in Pittsburgh , Pa in the 1950's.
 

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The NPRM proposes harsh new restrictions on model airplane flying that will effectively outlaw the activity within a few years (via elimination of flying sites). AMA and EAA have already taken a strong position against this NPRM.

If you feel strongly (as I do) against this NPRM, what you MUST DO before March 2nd, 2020 is to write three letters to your two US Senators and your US House Representative. You MUST state IN YOUR OWN WORDS why this NPRM is bad news, and tell your Congressmen to tell the FAA to withdraw this NPRM, and in your letter request their reply back to you. AND fax your letter (don't mail it as there is a 4-week anthrax scan delay before your Congressman's office receives it).

This is a fight against the big package delivery companies such as Amazon, UPS, Domino's Pizza etc. who already have effective ways to deliver their goods using manned ground delivery trucks.

FAX YOUR LETTERS NOW !!
 

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I have sent comments to my reps. I also added my own comments on the federal regulation page itself. This rule is terribly put together and is a "land-grab" (sky grab?) being pushed by big money and using fear to make all little aircraft look like dangerous weapons. As if someone wanting to do harm would use legally obtained and registered aircraft....
 

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Does the FAA really have nothing better to do than to tick off the RC modeling community?


I just found the loophole solution. Tie a little piece of string to your quadcopter, and it then falls under "Kite regulations". It pays to know your history.

"Only three months later Lambie helped promote the Montgomery meet at the site of the John J. Montgomery Memorial in San Diego. But a second meet, so soon after the first one, brought an inquisitive shark from deeper waters. "The FAA called Mark and wanted a complete list of participants so they could charge them with flying unlicensed aircraft, flying close to people, flying after major structural damage and repairs without inspection, no type ratings for Some of the flyers, et cetera. Mark said he had no idea who the People were and our own ship was tethered at all times, bringing it under kite regulations. We heard no more from them?"

"For months afterward, shrewd hang glider pilots kept useless strings dangling from their craft to prove, if necessary, that they were nothing more than kites. "

Source: "Manbirds: Hang Gliders & Hang Gliding" by Maralys Wills, 1981
http://www.privitt.com/hang_loose.htm

Your quad needs a yaw string underneath anyway, you know, to know which way that air is blowing. Keep yourself a roll of string handy too ;-) You know, to fly your quad copter kite, and also pull it down out of a kite eating tree... but then you probably already do. If anyone asks, your string broke, and you're about to retie it. Every jury in the world understands kite strings break.
 
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The FAA has no obligation to listen to anything we say, and coversely and reciprocally, we have no obligation to listen to anything they say*. I didn't sign anything that says I would obey any laws regarding use of the air, sorry.
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I guess Ya missed the part about that ( $ 1/4 million dollar) fine if you
get caught ? Glad , "You" got the money to burn, on lawyers ; me ----
i'm kinda on a Fixed income, with a VA disability, so i will comply
reluctantly .

Here are the New Nevada laws , just out ; and they really suck :
https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/NV-where-to-fly-drones.html?fbclid=IwAR2ywknSiObiHMiYE2rLfGXv0ec5Sk8CySt--m-G39aIJq8RLoahw3sMJgU#5

Bille
 

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In the not to distant future pilots for the military, airlines , etc are going to get harder to get. So its going to effect the national security. Large percentage of pilots started flying models as a kid and progressed on as they grew up. When I was scratch building all of my RC equipment and designing, scratch building all of my models in the 1950's, I would never believe we would be where we are in this country today. Not the same people.
 

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Bille Floyd

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What part of them suck?
Fly no higher than 400 feet; and no further than 400' away.

Keeping my 4M ,(157" span) carbon glider, and my Aero-Works, 102" span
100cc Extra 260, in a 400' box ; would get boring, kinda fast ! I have
thousands of dollars, invested in this hobby , with some rather large
airplanes ; and now i can't go out to the Dry lake desert , (30 miles away) to
fly them. I also have an EDF jet, that does over 100mph ; may as well
toss that one in the trash.

Yea -- that kinda Sucks , and it's gonna be a country wide law shortly ; or
i'd move to a state, that would allow it.

This ain't the reason a went into the military to defend this
country ; so sum schmuck could sell ,"ALL" the airspace , to Amazon
so they can deliver their boxes of chineese junk .

Bille
 

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Isn't it wonderful that we have the most intelligent, well paid people in the world looking over our well being.
 

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It looks like some of the burdens have been dropped:
Such as the proposed internet connection while flying is not required.
Homebuilt UAS allowed.
Registered flying fields might be exempt from required ID.
ADS-B will not be used.
 

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So every UAS currently used in the USA will be non-compliant, even those weighing only a few grams that pose no threat to people, vessels, vehicles or structures and anyone flying one, even a child flying a 'toy' drone in anything from their back yard to their parent's 1000 acre ranch in LOS in daylight in Class G airspace at minimal altitude will be criminalized.
As a manned aircraft pilot and also a hobby drone pilot I believe that this is madness of the first order.
As a bemused foreigner I find it extraordinary that that same child can have free access to an automatic military assault rifle. I guess for the time being Amazon hasn't found a way of monetizing that. Not yet anyway.
 
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So every UAS currently used in the USA will be non-compliant, even those weighing only a few grams that pose no threat to people, vessels, vehicles or structures and anyone flying one, even a child flying a 'toy' drone in anything from their back yard to their parent's 1000 acre ranch in LOS in daylight in Class G airspace at minimal altitude will be criminalized.
As a manned aircraft pilot and also a hobby drone pilot I believe that this is madness of the first order.
As a bemused foreigner I find it extraordinary that that same child can have free access to an automatic military assault rifle. I guess for the time being Amazon hasn't found a way of monetizing that. Not yet anyway.
If your talking about the U.S. don't believe the news, A child does not have access to a fully automatic military assault rifle, "machine Gun" ownership has been outlawed for many years except for a select group of specialized people with very specialized and monitored permits.
 

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The age old issue between Privacy Interests vs. "convenience." Whether it's by private actor or the government, the larger the "bureaucracy" (public or private) the "smaller" the citizen.

The real question is whether the use by the FAA will contradict the interests of American citizens.

For the present, providing deterrence to a "peeping droner" from hovering outside a bedroom window would appear to be the prevailing interest.

What should be avoided is the "creep" by bureaucracy further into the "private" portion of our lives.

Eternal Vigilance !!
 

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Let the 'whack-a-drone' games begin!! There must be fifty ways to knock down a delivery drone – sure, it's illegal to interfere with a drone, but since when did the law deter thieves?

Local communities need to wake up to the cost burden of drone package delivery. Presently, the delivery vehicle driver provides a level of delivery security that is lost when Amazon etc. switches over to remotely-operated delivery vehicles. So your local police department has to pick up to responsibility for delivery security & theft deterrence. Thus Amazon etc. saves the cost of the delivery driver and makes more profit, while transferring delivery security costs to the local community government.
 

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Bottom line here, to the RC enthusiast :

The new Laws / restrictions ; they could have bin WAY WAY -- WORST !!

Bille
 

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[QUOTE="Hawkertech, post: 573544, member: 104497"]
If your talking about the U.S. don't believe the news, A child does not have access to a fully automatic military assault rifle, "machine Gun" ownership has been outlawed for many years except for a select group of specialized people with very specialized and monitored permits.
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The foreign press creates a very distorted picture of life in the US. It is all gangsters and cowboys. In actuality:

...since 1934 there are only four known instances of automatic weapons used in crimes where someone was killed. In three of those instances the weapons were legally obtained, with two of them illegally used by law enforcement officers.
Source: Madison
 
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