Broad new UAS rules proposed today

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  1. Jan 9, 2020 #101

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    Yup, in most cases, they are required to solicit and consider input. They are not obligated to accept changes to proposals based on a majority input, or anything else.

    It is common for federal regulatory agencies to explain why they did or did not revise a proposal based on formal comments. Recall the discussion about the creation of LSA in the final ruling published in the Federal Register. https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...men-for-the-operation-of-light-sport-aircraft


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  2. Jan 9, 2020 #102

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    The burden should first be on the FAA to provide evidence for the need for removing existing freedoms.
    The FAA failed to do that with the Light Sport rule, in link above.
    The FAA simply said it would be inappropriate to continue to allow heavy and two seat aircraft without certification. No evidence was provided of any problems caused because of the weight of the aircraft in the previous years when operated within the exemption rules.
    If those existing exemption weight rules were ignored in the past, the proper remedy is enforcement in individual cases. Much like speeding rules on highways and every other federal rule. Not the wholesale destruction of the ultralight industry as occurred. The FAA rejected USUA and went with almost everything EAA wanted. Paul Poberezny was pushing for ultralight certification as early as 1984 in his columns. I just read about that today in the archive.
     
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    From the EAA on that proposal today:
    "EAA is in the process of dissecting the pieces of this NPRM, as they affect both
    manned aircraft and the traditional model community. More information and specific
    guidance on how to appropriately respond to this proposed rule will be provided soon,
    to ensure all voices are heard in a manner that will have the most impactful outcome
    on the decision-making process."
    They want it extended past 60 days, and for over 300 pages I agree!
     
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    YEP -- and that would be the NSA ; I worked for them
    in the early 70's. Google and facebook, are NOT the highest intelligence
    gathering organization's, in the world (.)

    9/11/01 was the onset , (under the pretense for: "the war on Terror")
    giving permission for that agency, to do Domestic intelligence gathering
    on USA citizens . That agency is More than equipped , to identify
    and triangulate, the source of transmission, needed to fly an FPV
    vehicle ; and they also have the capability to identify potential
    users of such a devise , (before it ever even gets in the air)
    but i ain't telling Ya how !


    Fire fighting aircraft, grounded by drones , even the ones that fly
    autonomously, can be tracked (with EASE) ; and if the fines AND jail-time
    were large enough , (then people would not wanna do that anymore).

    Here's an example why people don't care :

    Texting while driving : Big fines , when caught , would limit the number
    of people doing it ; but the fines aren't Big enough !

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    Wow, the FAA is pissing off a wholeeee lot of people.

    Et cetera...
     
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    People, and organizations, tend to do what they do well.


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    And why do Ya think , that could have happened ?
    Could it possibility have bin because of those Yahoo's
    who think it was funny, to post a shot of a drone, flying
    over a passenger jet ? Or maybe , grounding fire fighters
    from dropping water on forest fires ? Did you think this
    type of total disregard for peoples safety , was gonna just
    go on forever ; without some serious repercussions ?

    And then there is Amazon :
    their rich enough to buy , ((ALL)) the airspace in the USA ;
    and their lawyers are going to use those near mishaps , as
    evidence for controlling that airspace. Once that land-Grab
    has bin made ; next up will be to get rid of all those Hang gliders
    Paragliders , sailplanes, and ultra-Lights , and eventually
    GA aviation altogether. Those Amazon packages of chineese
    junk, being delivered on time; are WAY more important than
    the people getting in the way or their flight paths.

    If there is anyone on this forum that really wants to
    do something about this situation of our RC airspace
    getting locked down ; there is only ONE voice that can
    actually react in a positive way , and that would be the AMA.
    If you care , the AMA has the lawyers and money to put
    up a good fight ; so please join this club , and make your
    voice be seen.


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    Not just US, Canada arrested an exec from Huawei:
    " US officials have said in the past that Huawei, the telecommunications company, and other Chinese companies could pose a security threat."
     
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    *cough* That **** huawei executive was arrested by Canada because the USofA had an arrest warrant out for her. See the extradition gong show for details... lol
     
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    The thing that gets me is that there are billions of birds in the USA, and they fly every day. Some are quite large, and some fly quite high. I haven't flown much, and I've never seen anything RC anywhere near our altitude, but I've seen a hawk from pretty close at 3,000 feet or so. Any excuse for going after my RC gliders that invokes safety is completely bogus. BTW, that 400 foot radius is around 33 wingspans for one of my models.
     
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    Huawei and DJI are being targeted for political and commercial reasons. Anyone who knows anything about IT would realise that there is absolutely no way in a very hot place that all those DJI drones would be sending their pictures back to China without someone noticing the traffic.
    Yes, they can and no doubt have been used for espionage, by individuals. It doesn't matter who makes them...
     
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    I have seen hawks at 8,000 ft AGL.
     
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    If we can believe Wikipedia, canadian geese have been sighted at 29,000 feet! I'll admit I'm skeptical. Apparently four figure altitudes are more common. OTOH, bar headed geese migrate over the Himalayas, though I guess the FAA doesn't have to worry about them.

    I think a goose at 29,000 feet would be frozen, and capable of destroying almost any aircraft. ;-)
     
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    I have heard of large flocks of small birds at 4 digit altitudes.
     
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    When I worked for a regional airline, one of our turbo props hit a flock of geese at about 17,000. Broke one of the left engine mounts off the nacelle and cratered all the leading edges. They were all scrapped but one. Radome totally gone. Out of curiosity we tried to knock some dents out. With a sledgehammer. Got it to move about 1/2 inch. A couple of us tried. Seen some others.
     
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    I have said this before, but the strangest thing I have seen at altitude, don't remember the altitude for sure, but heading west in Iowa on nice bumpy VFR day so maybe 4500 or 6500 ft. Looked like a huge flock of birds ahead, then I was dodging corn shucks and stocks from a dust devil that had picked up the corn debris after the corn fields had been cut.

    Had to "duck" to miss hawks many times at 3000-4000ft. Have had one bird strike. Flying an Ercoupe and hit a small bird like a sparrow with the prop.
     
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