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Discussion in 'General Experimental Aviation Questions' started by smartflyboy, Jul 4, 2009.
Why didn't you just email them?
I did.....and was told they will get back to me as soon as possible, I just like the plane cos its a composite build if am right.
E-Mail me in you want more info about the KIS Cruiser. I have one with just over 650hrs and I LOVE it!
Galin I just PM you here i need the informations please
I agree that the BD-4 is a great design. The BD-4B (original version) is more of a 2+2 but the new BD-4C is 4" wider and 17" longer and is a true 4-place with a baggage compartment. My BD-4B with a Lycoming IO-360-A1A and Hartzell constant speed prop cruises at 160 knots TAS on 10 gallons per hour, getting me from my home base near Houston to Florida's Treasure Coast in 6 hours, door to door. And that's not wishful thinking... I do it every two weeks.
Not to highjack this thread as my question is very similar:
What plane out there can compete with the BD-4C as far as 4 place capacity, 200 mph cruise and relatively low cost? I am new to the search but the Zenith planes look way slower and anything else is just way more expensive and probably not short field capable like the BD-4C. Seems like a good used BD can be had for $35k-$50k. What am I missing?
With a minimum final cost of $47k, the BD-4C is the lowest cost kit plane that will go nearly 175 knots (200 mph). There are plans-built designs that can be constructed less expensively, though, if you don't mind doing a lot more work.
The next closest kits that can go this fast are the AeroCanard ($50k), Velocity SE/RG ($75k), and the Vans RV10 ($95k). These will all cruise at 170 - 180 knots. Be aware that the builder will have to skimp on everything from engine to avionics to interior in order to hit the minimum cost.
All the other kit-built aircraft that can go 170+kts are going to run into the 6-figure cost range to complete.
Hope this helps!
The Dyn' aero MCR 4S is by far the cheapest if you look at total build cost. Operating cost is a lot lower, given the Rotax and the performance is great, though the cruise is admittedly quite a bit lower, with the 914 it just touches 180 mph.
I do beleive the Vne of the 4S is 168-170 mph...
Yepz, IAS. With the turbo @ FL100 you're cruising at a slighly lower IAS while TAS is in the 180 mph range.
With a 50 mph tail wind I'd be doing 230mph...
Ok, so I am going to try and open this discussion back up. I am getting a deal on an O-320 I think I could use in something other than an RV-4 as I originally intended. What other options are out there. I want something faster than a C-172. I like composite aircraft but the Velocity looking aircraft are not my thing. Any other suggestion?
You will attract more replies if you start your own thread. Many people just read the first page of a conversation and won't get all the way to page 4 to see your question.
I'll do some resarch and reply to your new thread.
Just now joined the forum, and saw your add...Is your CF-4 still for sale? Can you email me and tell me something about it, its history, panel, engine, hours, etc?
Soon to be available all metal 4-seat kit airplane here - AvCom • View topic - Sling 4 Around the World
Yep - that Sling is one sharp looking airplane. I am anxious to see the numbers as they fly off their 40 hour test phase. I am also curious about the performance with 4 people in that plane on a Rotax 914. Regardless, I've really enjoyed following the progress of The Airplane Factory guys - hats off to them for all they have accomplished!
What are you going to do with your 4place after you build it?
If you want to go from airport to airport many of the kits and plans built planes previously mentioned will do that and are fine airplanes.
You mentioned that you wantewd a plans built so as to acquire materials as you go.
Have you considered a WagAero Sportsman 2+2? basically a 4place Super Cub. You can buy the parts as you go, there are plenty of grey headed folks about that have worked on Cubs and like planes, so there is help.
The Super Cub family of planes present some possibilities that are not a resonable option with some of the faster runway loveing planes. The Cubs, and like planes, offer floats, skis and tundra tires as possible fun multipliers. The Cubs and similuar planes are generally a bit slower, circa 100mph.
Totaly unbiased opinion section:
If you want to go fast and get felt up by a government goons buy a Pan Am ticket!
I have to go wash the Cub Yellow paint overspray out of my hair now.
sit in one. to keep frontal area down the wing isn't mounted way up high. spar goes across the cockpit in front of your noggin. i'm 5'11" and i feel hunkered down to see out the side windows and then i can't see over the nose and below the spar. claustrophobic. but this is all in the "tweetch zone" where individual preference is king. sit in one.
Where can I get planes for the CF4 by Mr Calbie Woods
Regards Bill I have a W8 Wittman and need a four Seater
He can be contacted on the Yahoo Tailwind Group
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