Backwards?

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  1. Jan 23, 2017 #1

    Jstorrshall

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    It seems to me that a lot of the left/right distinctions in helicopters are backwards to fixed-wing: pilot on the right, right pattern, etc, etc.
    1. Is this true?
    2. Is there a good reason for it, GIVEN that fixed-wing aircraft have the opposing orientation?
    3. Are there objective reasons for it if there were no opposing traditions?
     
  2. Jan 23, 2017 #2

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    I've often wondered that myself. I'm sure that airplanes probably took their convention from American automobiles.

    (Can I say "sure" and "probably" in the same sentence?)
     
  3. Jan 23, 2017 #3

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    No! To the grammar dungeon for some reeducation!
     
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    Flown helicopters that had pilot station on both sides military likes the right side for the pilot OH 6, UH-1 TH 55. then the Hughes civil had the pilot station on the left and they're the counter parts of the OH 6 and TH 55, Hiller H 13 pilot sat in the center , Sikorsky S-58 can be piloted on either station with a few switch mods. and the HUEY can be flown the same with the same mods. the R-22 and R 44 right side , right side is a little easier as your radio stack is near the collective hand.

    Military helicopters was right hand pilot station, as for fixed wing beats me, the civil guys are left side pilot...
     
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    Helicopters are suppose to "avoid the flow of fixed wing traffic." Easier to do opposite pattern on the other side of airport if allowed. Helicopters can go direct to ramp and to taxiways to stay away from airplanes. A good helicopter pilot much less fixed wing should be able to give a good option of the air control situation to a controller. Sometimes they can use help in getting you where you want to go, but most still think airplane.
     
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    Most choose the right seat. Long line loggers choose the left seat to lean over the side with a big bubble window. Hard to lean right with the collective, I think.
     
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    Don't know if all Russian helicopters are flown (PIC) from the left seat, but know that Kamov Ka32 is.
     
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    I know Enstroms are left primary, although there is a right PIC mod, because they were trying to sell to airplane owners, originally. Helicopters don't have yokes. Yokes and central throttle is an outgrowth of airline and bomber cockpits and it is a cheap way to do it and became a standard. Helicopters even big ones are really single pilot aircraft and the controls are like a open cockpit biplane or fighter, not a freighter. PIC on right has all hands in the cockpit, if doors are off. Left PIC had has collective hand, close to the slipstream with doors off if not in it some times. If I fly from the left I worry about loosing my wedding ring out the door, and right, I worry about loosing my phone. Phone is more expensive, but if I loose the ring might as well pitch the phone from the harassment.
     
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    I always thought that helicopters were naturally backwards. :gig:
     
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    I believe the Bell 47 is flown solo from the left seat.
     
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    I fly the pattern at 500 ft and right traffic, TH55 and others small helicopters don't fly very fast and I would get run over by a airplane.
    now if I had a rotor mouse I would tell everybody to get the hell out of my way and I'm coming in to land.

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    The Bell 47, the Safari and the Rotorway Exec are all left seat solo helicopters. Changing radio frequencies or transponder codes can be a bit of a chore. When requested while I was flying solo in the LA basin, I would request instruction to a safe landing spot. The normal drill for changing the code was to remove the left leg from the pedals, drape that leg over the collective, being careful to not roll the throttle, then take the cyclic with the left hand and use the right hand to do the frequency/code changes. In my case this always got a throttle change, and some limited aerobatics. In my Safari I had unto 25 radio frequencies I could change with a switch on the cyclic. I tried to get a remote switch set up on the collective which would allow me to change transponder codes and hit an Ident button. All HOTAS. Even signed a non disclosure agreement with Becker, but they didn't seem to have a good tech that spoke english.... No such luck. I'm still interested in the transponder control from the collective.

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    I bet you can swap the pilot seats in the Exec for right hand drive, just put all the necessary switches and valves for pic right...do a c/g comp adjustment & go.
     
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    Suppose I could ask at work -- good question!
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    The early helos flew from the right set because the collective and throttle could be frictioned. This allowed the left hand to adjust radios or mixture. Some helicopter like the Enstroms are soloed from the left and I have no idea why. I have flown the F-28 Enstrom and it poses no problem other than hearing the bucks flowing at $200 plus an hour.

    Military aircraft and helicopters have the pilot in command on the left and pilot on the right which has been the case since day one.
     
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    Enstrom & Hughes picked left side pilot so they could add an extra pax in the front with the collective and cyclic removed... from 2 seats to 3 seats
     
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    There was probably some reason to do with the tail rotor but, like why airplanes are flown from the opposite side, the real reason is somebody thought it was a good idea and everbody copied.
     
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    I think two pilot helicopters the captain sits on the left.
     
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    nope . Bell 212 right side. Sikorsky left side and right side depending on type.
     
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    I think the captain sits on whatever side he wants. :gig:
     

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