Discussion in 'General Experimental Aviation Questions' started by Armilite, Aug 29, 2016.
5,157 Pilots in Michigan by Age Group!
First timers. Interesting.
Probably a lot to do with available time and resources – also, not sure if this is scientifically provable, ours may be the last generation that were fascinated in recreational aviation in large numbers -- just for the heck of it… and now a bunch of us finally have the time to pursue something we meant to do decades ago.
Based on the statement at the bottom of the graph, this is for the Sport-Pilot certificate. If so, the Sport-Pilot is more desirable for the Boomers considering the medical requirements. How many are Boomers with a Private switching to the Sport-Pilot?
That same document shows that as of Dec. 15, 2015, the state of MI has 13,505 pilots, with 195 of those holding a Sport Pilot Certificate. This is more inline with my observations as a MI resident.
Florida has by far and away the most sport pilots at 499, followed by the obvious CA, TX, OH, and so on.
Source: https://www.gama.aero/files/GAMA_2015_Databook_LoRes updated 3-29-2016.pdf
Quote: dcstrng "ours may be the last generation that were fascinated in recreational aviation in large numbers"
The childhood heroes of the Baby Boomer generation were Lindbergh, the WW2 aces, the first astronauts and the Edwards test pilots, John Wayne, Sky King, the 50's and 60's airshow stunt pilots, the USAF Thunderbirds and USN Blue Angels, athletes who conducted themselves with some amount of class, etc.
Today's generation "childhood heroes" are angry gun-slinging rappers, gangsters, drug lords, TMZ and reality TV show clowns, athletes who use steroids professionally and then use recreational drugs for fun, then beat their girlfriends on security cameras.
Not too difficult to connect the dots.
I NEVER missed an episode of Sky King... loved his Cessna and niece Penny...
Oh it is absolutely provable Larry. There is a slow but sure paradigm shift in our culture. Kids are only mentally engaged with activities as far as their electronic devices allow. There is no sense of agency. Everybody want to either be the next sports hero, entertainer or Einstein. There are video games that prepare for all of those. Nobody wants their kids tinkering with mechanics because for many years we have equated those dirty hands jobs as stupid. "Oh Bobby didn't do well in school so he is going to be a diesel mechanic." Everybody wants their kid to go to college and gets a knowledge job (even if it's selling big screen TV's at Best Buy) Tell you what, diesel mechanic is a much more respectable job than Best Buy Associate in my book. The latter leads to a severe lack of self-worth, so prevalent today. Such is progress.
VB understands. So do others. Many do not.
Not interested in your Xbox 360. I just want to fly. Like, up there. And dogfight. Like, other ultralights. And flame zeppelins...
Your FAA says that's uncool. So it looks like I'm going back to Battlefield 1...
Flying isn't fun any more. Too many rules. You killed the fun by trying to make it too safe, too fast, and too expensive.
Choppergirl are you a goat farmer?
FAA doesn't care a lick about dogfighting in ultralights, you and a friend can go out and bust your bones with their blessing. Just don't do it near where people live, so nobody has to see the bloodshed, and nobody thinks that crazy people are falling out of the sky on their houses.
It's the Grim Reaper (and his close associates on the Darwin Award Board of Trustees) who cares about dogfighting in ultralights. They love it. Just like they love the YouTube people who build their own shark cages using bamboo, and then take it out to test in Australia. Same reason, incidentally... there's something out there that is going to harm you no matter how much of a reality show star you think you are.
You can go out dogfighting in ultralights, but you have to have a special aircraft that is not 100% an ultralight. The RANS S-9 will give you half a chance to live through it.
How can anyone have taken the fun out of flying for you if you're not even doing it, or if you snap your neck while doing it? Seems to me that if you are not actually doing it, or if you get DOA'd the first time you do it... it's you who's taking the fun out of it. Fly around for just a little while, please, before your first ultralight air war.
ChopperGirl, lol, you can do anything you want. Nobody is stopping you. You can build a Cassutt from scratch and go 200 mph, nobody cares or is stopping you. Wanna build an ultralight, go for it, nobody cares or is stopping you. Wanna build a Pitts and train for aerobatics, go for it, nobody cares or is stopping you.
You're building an ultralight right? Who's stopping you? The president? Congress? FAA? Sargeant Pepper?
The only one stopping you is you. You can even build an ultralight gluten free.
Yup. It's always someone else's fault.
The "kids these days" meme has a well-established history that extends back pretty much as far as recorded history goes, at least back to ancient Greece. And prior to that, probably unrecorded back to the dawn of human existence.
There have already been too many generalizations tossed around in this thread. But I think it is valid to say that, as a rule, young people are interested in and excited by technologies whose potential is not completely explored. Exploring that potential is what they do. They are not to blame that, by and large, aeronautics is a done deal.
Besides those subject to the normal attraction to the unknown, there are still many who are transfixed by the idea of flight, by the 3D experience and by the vantage and perspective it offers. In my experience, the percentage of such people is pretty much constant in terms of percentage of the general population. One of the central tasks of those of us who are actually and actively promoting aviation is to identify them and show them that their dreams of flight are within the grasp of any committed individual. To which end, stereotypifying narratives are counterproductive at best.
Thanks, Bob K.
There's a lot of kids who love flight. Parents need to slow down and actually put the pads away take them to the airport.
Up until you're 18 parents can influence children. Parents can get them excited or just buy them a tablet and let them be. Choices.
The only thing we will ever control in life is how we react. Period. There's nothing else. If you see the world going to crap, how ya gonna react? Don't like our leaders, how ya gonna react? Don't like your retirement prospects, how ya gonna react? Want your kids to value education, how ya gonna react? Want kids in aviation, how ya gonna react?
Nothing else is in our control.
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Totally agree with this!!!!
I was about nine maybe younger in North Hills of Pittsburgh when I heard a rumbling sound in the sky. Looking up I saw an airship. It was low and both thrilled and scared me at the same time... I loved everything about aviation from that moment on. I never wanted to be a jet pilot.. they went too fast and missed the scenery... but I was involved in aviation in the Tonkin Gulf... and worked communicated with carriers. After that I switched to the Air Force and was trained an Avionics Instrument system Specialist. For primarily C 130's. I remember a pilot asking me if I had ever seen a cloud seep into the bay of a Hercules...no but I would. So yeah this boomer is still thrilled and scared (and happy) when I see something flying low and slow. And it makes zero sense tome to be attracted to virtual reality when you can simply experience reality.
I think there are lots of reasons young people aren't flying at much.
1. it has gotten very expensive, I traded hours on the lawn mower for hours in the airplane as a teenager. I think the going rate pay vs rental rate was something around 5 hours of mowing for an hour flying. now it would be like 8-10 hrs mowing for an hour of flying. maybe even more if the rental fleet is new production.
2. Kids now expect instant gratification. what you mean i have to mow for 8 hours to go fly for an hour then put in 40-50 hours of flying before i can take my friends up?
3. Parents don't have enough time anymore to encourage aviation nor enough money to help pay for it.
4. kids live vicariously through the selfie and social media. they may take an intro ride take a selfie then post it and cross aviation off the bucket list as done that.
thing is all it takes is patience and a work ethic. both of which are in short supply these days.
Fortunately there are dedicated school programs to prepare students for technical careers in many disciplines. I have been involved in Career and Technical Education for the past 5 years teaching High School Juniors and Seniors in a Part 147 program. We encounter many of the same issues that a normal high school environment is burdened with and i find that mediocrity prevails in that world. One of our hurdles is in trying to teach a rather low-tech subject using equipment and aircraft that are at least 40 years old. I can understand why many students find the internet universe to be far more interesting than anything that we can produce or display. A couple of our instructors use the latest classroom technological gizmos like "smart TVs" and electronic note pads but as for me I try to go the "old school" route using minimal technology and having the students spend more time with hands on the aircraft. The students find the latest technology to be far more interesting and "entertaining" and lets face it, the latest trend today is for people to have an "experience". Fortunately there are students that want to gain experience and knowledge and to prepare for certification........unfortunately it is a rather small population of students that go forward and test and become card carrying mechanics. I have been privileged to test a few of my former students and issue their Temporary Airmen Certificates.
Our school district also has programs for Welding, Auto collision Repair, Diesel maintenance, Auto maintenance and other programs leading to certifications. Technical careers are still a draw for a few today.
Yes, I am a boomer and one of my first memories was the JFK funereal on TV.....black & white.
I was born the same year NASA and the FAA came into existence.
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