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Jaredjhale

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In the order I got them:

1. KR2
2. Teenie Two
3. Hummelbird (Bill Springs version of plans)
4. Watson Windwagon
5. Sonerai II
6. Lightning Bug
7. White Lightning

Dave
Dave, how did you get a Lightning Bug? On the couple video's I've seen ('Homebuilthelp' and 'Light Sport and Ultralight Flyer') the inventor Brian Austein said he was just doing it for fun and wasn't offering plans or kits. Then he died just a year or two after that Oshkosh (peacefully at home with his family around him, so it was a disease or cancer not a plane crash).
 

Jaredjhale

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I'm a newby compared to you guys. I bought the Affordaplane plans and the rest I have found online.
1) Affordaplane
2) Bird Glider
3) M Sandlin's Pig
4) Weedhopper
5) Guppy Biplane
6) Flying Flea HM293
7) J3 Kitten
8) Skypup
9) Mike Sandlin's Bluebird (new, but only sketched dimensional pictures from him so far as he only posted about it a month or two ago).
 

raymondbird

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Dave, how did you get a Lightning Bug? On the couple video's I've seen ('Homebuilthelp' and 'Light Sport and Ultralight Flyer') the inventor Brian Austein said he was just doing it for fun and wasn't offering plans or kits. Then he died just a year or two after that Oshkosh (peacefully at home with his family around him, so it was a disease or cancer not a plane crash).
I thought the Lightning Bug was a Nick Jones design, same as the White Lightning . . . ?
 

TurbAero

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Dave, how did you get a Lightning Bug? On the couple video's I've seen ('Homebuilthelp' and 'Light Sport and Ultralight Flyer') the inventor Brian Austein said he was just doing it for fun and wasn't offering plans or kits. Then he died just a year or two after that Oshkosh (peacefully at home with his family around him, so it was a disease or cancer not a plane crash).
Hi Jared. My Lightning Bug is the original LB from the early 1990s designed by Nick Jones. Different aircraft altogether, but same name.
 

norm_parm

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Good morning all. First post. I am looking for plans for the Beechcraft D17S or Griffin Lionheart. Any clue where to look for these?
The website WWII Era Military Blueprints & Manuals | AirCorps Library has drawings for the Beech Staggerwing. Become a member for a small monthly fee and you can download them. I do not know if the drawing list is complete. I became a member several years back and have kept it. Good luck with your endeavors.
 

Kunnis

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If anyone has plans for the CH-640, I'd love to build one. If anyone has any leads, please let me know. I've tried contacting the guy earlier in this thread but he hasn't responded.
 

misterpeter

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PA-18 Super Cub
G’day! I’m beginning a LMA Super Cub and would like to compare with the ‘real thing’… Are your plans complete and including build notes etc? The drawings available on the internet are fine, but I’d like a set on paper :) Would you be willing to part with them? Peter
 

Arkan

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Is there anyone with complete plans for piper J-4 Coupe or the Piper PA-15?
 

Arkan

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Don't have info on the J-4, but the disc linked below has almost every drawing for PA 15s and other shortwing Pipers.

Piper Drawings CD – Short Wing Piper Club

Thank you sir, this will be a help.... Just wish i could find something on the J-4 coupe... it had a longer wing span, and about 100lbs more useful payload... I know the J-4 roughly stalled out at 38 mph.... so it had natural Stol ability.
 

blane.c

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The J-4 is the side by side seating model? A weird version of the Cub. I don't remember ever seeing one but can't imagine two people my size would fit having seen quite a few Aeronca Chiefs which would be extremely similar in size. Having room to move a bit in the cockpit is challenging enough in the tandem.

This may be more of what you want ... really.

Bushmaster Style Converted Piper Pacer | AircraftForSale.com

Some of the conversions have the not as wide Pacer horizontal stabilizer and perform better with the wider P-18 horizontal stabilizer.
 

ToddK

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Thank you sir, this will be a help.... Just wish i could find something on the J-4 coupe... it had a longer wing span, and about 100lbs more useful payload... I know the J-4 roughly stalled out at 38 mph.... so it had natural Stol ability.
I have a friend who has a J4 in pieces. As Blane wrote, it is rather narrow for a side by side 2 seater. Neat airplane though for sure. Not much in common with the other Pipers.

You can get drawings from Blueprints - The Piper Cub Club

Personally, the J5/PA-12 is the my favorite the the Piper line. I did my tailwheel training in a long timed out, wheezy J5 in the summer, with a fairly "sturdy" instructor in the back. It still got off the ground in the middle of the Texas summer and managed to crawl up to TPA by the crosswind to down wind turn. Great airplane.

If wanted to build a Piper derived airplane, that would be my #1 choice. Simple, spacious, big ol' fat wing, and it will take a heavy engine, but performs well on 85hp.
 

blane.c

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The J-5 PA-12 are really good can have most all of the PA-18 mods and in experimental will haul as much as the PA-18, unfortunately if trying to use as certificated airplane the J-5 PA_12 are limited to 1800lbs gross weight and the PA-18 gets 2200lbs gross weight and the PA-18 could get stc for additional seats, so an extra 400lbs legally the 18 wins though there isn't a spit of difference in reality.
 

BJC

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The J-5 PA-12 are really good can have most all of the PA-18 mods and in experimental will haul as much as the PA-18, unfortunately if trying to use as certificated airplane the J-5 PA_12 are limited to 1800lbs gross weight and the PA-18 gets 2200lbs gross weight and the PA-18 could get stc for additional seats, so an extra 400lbs legally the 18 wins though there isn't a spit of difference in reality.
I would opt for a PA-12 over a PA-18 any time for an all-around flying airplane. They are roomier, easier to enter / exit, fly nicer and the ones with150 or 160 HP are good performers.


BJC
 

blane.c

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Pacer with lengthened fuselage, PA-18 tail, Atlee Dodge gear and other mods, Lycoming 180hp, A Borer propeller will not work on 180hp so a longer prop off a bigger airplane was cut down to use on the Bush planes but I forget which plane it was robbed off of at the moment.
 

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A kid in my high school had one. His dad had it restored in California but they rigged the ailerons backwards. He flew it across the country to the other side of the Mississippi River that way so it could be under the Christmas tree. He also ferried a PBY from South America with another friend. While over the Caribbean, the other guy was in the belly working on the hydraulics, one of the engines starts acting up and loosing oil. “Oh we will be fine, we can land on the water. “. My friend in the belly says, “ Have you seen the holes in the bottom?”

The J4 had one problem, the Taylorcraft. That’s why they quit making them. You might want a slightly shorter landing space, but the T outran the USA35B airfoil enough that it was looked at as only a bad blood. More wing will always be able to support more weight. Nothing special about the J 4 wing except it’s bigger.

Don’t read too much into the difference in the physicals. It’s about horsepower. The stretching of cabin, changing the tail, short or long wing are changes, but a lot of it was so it didn’t look like it was the same ole airplane like the other 30,000. How do you make a plane go faster? Bigger engine or less wingspan. After WW2, Piper went into bankruptcy and the judge said they couldn’t make a sheet metal plane until all the chrome molly was used up. They had war production amounts. Took ten years before they ran out. What saved the Cub was love. It would never have continued without it.
 

Twmaster

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The only plans I have are for the Affordaplane. Looking to get either (or both) plans for the Air Bike and Millholland Legal Eagle XL. Or maybe the two seater...
 

cluttonfred

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I have the plans for the Milholland Cabin Eagle. They are not works of art but certainly clear enough and worth the money. It's the plane I would tackle if I were going to go with welded-steel-tube construction. Thought I would be tempted to put some sort of cowling on it. ;-)

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The only plans I have are for the Affordaplane. Looking to get either (or both) plans for the Air Bike and Millholland Legal Eagle XL. Or maybe the two seater...
 
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