# Aircraft Movers

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#### Rhino

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If you're having an issue in Tennessee that's odd, I never have. What part of Tennessee?
Coffee County.

#### Rhino

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An airplane on a trailer will get you noticed by every cop on the road, including the commercial enforcement guys. Period, stop, absolutely. I got pulled over carrying a wing and centersection for a 680 Commander...
An airplane on a trailer gets you noticed by everybody. You got pulled over for a width violation, not for hauling a plane. That's not a commercial carrier restriction. All I'm saying is, assuming you don't violate any common road restrictions like that, you don't need DOT certification or a CDL, and don't need to adhere to commercial carrier regulations.

#### Pilot-34

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"... a legal width", if you have a wide-load permit and all that goes with it.

96" (8 feet) is the maximum legal road width without a wide-load permit in almost every US state.
Not really for most intents and purposes.
You see there is a federal law requiring them to allow 102 inch wide trailers plus load binding devices on most roads .
In a lot of states allow farm equipment to go wider,( you are going to spray crops with it when you’re done right?)
And in a lot of states going modestly wider than the legal limit is not too difficult. I’m some states it’s just a three dollar permit up to 12 feet wide, in other states that 1st inch can be a real bugaboo,
It’s been a running joke in the heavy haul industry How a five hundred dollar Lighter wallet makes a 24 foot wide so much safer

#### Pilot-34

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After millions of miles and decades both in and out of the industry but it really comes down to it you can do anything you want on the highway so America.
And the cops can write you tickets for anything they want.
Sometimes those two things intercept.
But let me ask you this even if you’re right do you want to go back to someplace 12 hours from home to find $100 ticket. And you fight that ticket so that you don’t spend$3000 in extra insurance cost?
I don’t obey the law because of the fines I obey the law because a it’s the right thing to do and b the hassel isnt worth it.

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#### cvairwerks

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An airplane on a trailer gets you noticed by everybody. You got pulled over for a width violation, not for hauling a plane. That's not a commercial carrier restriction. All I'm saying is, assuming you don't violate any common road restrictions like that, you don't need DOT certification or a CDL, and don't need to adhere to commercial carrier regulations.
I actually got pulled over for being an unusual load and catching the commercial enforcement guy's attention. I was exactly 3" over width, with a piece of sheet metal that was 11 feet off the ground and about a foot long. It took 30 minutes with a tape measure for him to determine that. There was no way he could have seen it when I passed him as it was on the far side of the load when I passed him stopped on the right shoulder.

Even though I wasn't commercial, in the state of Texas, the commercial guys are normal DPS officers, dedicated to the commercial side of things, and they can stop anything they suspect of being CMV or outside of state limits. What I got hit for was being over width by state law, which applied, rather than DOT regs. Had I been running as a CMV, I wouldn't have been over width, but would have been hit with about 6 other tickets for things that would have been DOT violations. Because I run on a Class B Exempt license, I have to be careful that I don't cross the line into commercial ops.

#### Rhino

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There's no way to 100% avoid the curiosity of a clueless enforcement officer, to be sure. My only point was that being a commercial carrier and complying with commercial carrier regulations isn't required to tow a plane. Towing my boat is more dangerous than towing a plane. Or at least it has been when I've done it. I don't drain tanks and seal gaps when towing a boat like I do with a plane.

#### Dana

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A few years ago we were hauling a Minimax to a friend's house, all legal, trailer properly registered. After 30 miles on the highway, back in our home town, got pulled over, seems the license plate had somehow been torn off. Cop's first words were, "Did you steal that?" He let us go with a promise to get a replacement plate.

When I brought my Starduster home after the forced landing, I was using an unregistered borrowed trailer with no working lights. About 100 miles on the interstate and a car with marginal capacity for that large trailer... I was nervous but despite several people photographing the plane, I managed to avoid the attention of anybody official.

#### Bill-Higdon

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A few years ago we were hauling a Minimax to a friend's house, all legal, trailer properly registered. After 30 miles on the highway, back in our home town, got pulled over, seems the license plate had somehow been torn off. Cop's first words were, "Did you steal that?" He let us go with a promise to get a replacement plate.

When I brought my Starduster home after the forced landing, I was using an unregistered borrowed trailer with no working lights. About 100 miles on the interstate and a car with marginal capacity for that large trailer... I was nervous but despite several people photographing the plane, I managed to avoid the attention of anybody official.
I knew someone who back in the 60's moving a plane from Wyoming to Utah taped some flash lights with colored lenses on the back of the trailer for lights.

#### dwalker

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Coffee County.
I am in Rutherford and I think the last time I needed an out of state trailer tagged I simply had the local THP office run the VIN, give me the VIN Verification, and I was issued a trailer tag. for the most part TN does not care even a little bit about trailer tags until you are 20ft or over, or enclosed. Once you are out of state though, it becomes important.

#### Rhino

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Hey, it makes no sense to me either. But that's what they're doing to me. No bill of sale? No registration. I think they're doing this because there's no title. But the trailer was bought in Ohio, where titles are not required for utility trailers under 4,000 pounds, so there never was a title.

#### dwalker

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Hey, it makes no sense to me either. But that's what they're doing to me. No bill of sale? No registration. I think they're doing this because there's no title. But the trailer was bought in Ohio, where titles are not required for utility trailers under 4,000 pounds, so there never was a title.
That is so weird since Tennessee also doesnt require plates or titles on small trailers, and only issue them if you specifically ask.

#### PMD

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A few comments: I operate as a private carrier, dragging my client's equipment trailers all over the continent (they own shares in my company to allow for that). In Canada, to haul up to 10' width in most provinces, no permit required, but you MUST display overdimension load sign, have flags/lights etc. to mark extremities. Not sure about all of the stats enroute, but CALL every one's DoT and compliance guys and get the straight dope - and preferrably an e-mail from them to hand to enforcement along the way if you get stopped. Just do whatever the law in each state requires, get it in writing and be on your way.

BTW: the race car thing has tried to bit me in the arse a few times. I get asked if there are any sponsorship decals, and if yes and you are being paid for them, or even winning prize money, some of the DoT guys consider that a commercial venture and something you can NOT do as a private carrier. I get to argue that my service business for which I AM indeed able to operate as a private carrier is very much a commercial enterprise - just that I am not in the business of charging for moving the truck and trailers down the road.

I second the many comments that have shown enforcement and enforcers are a generally ignorant-of-the-actual-law bunch who love to write tickets. Don't ever get me started on what happens at national borders!!!!!!

#### Pilot-34

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I knew someone who back in the 60's moving a plane from Wyoming to Utah taped some flash lights with colored lenses on the back of the trailer for lights.
Were they the L shaped army green ones with the pack of different colored lenses in the bottom and spring clip on the side ?

I know nothing ,NOTHING!

#### Pilot-34

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Lol half the time the tarp is for eyes not the weather……..

just a hint to the wise

#### rivilee

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I talked to a guy a few days ago who was hauling a boat from Florida to California. Dually pickup, 4 axle 5th wheel boat trailer, million+ dollar boat, oversize permits and an escort driver. He was charging $34000 to haul it. #### cvairwerks ##### Well-Known Member Looking at current independent operators, rates run 2-5$ a mile for normal stuff and approaching 12$a mile for outsized stuff, including loads that need permits and escorts.. #### Pilot-34 ##### Well-Known Member I spent many years in heavy haul, that of course includes oversize. I once hauled a 24 foot wide gear into Manhattan. I seem to remember that we had to rent the bridge into town for 15 minutes. At 2 AM that cost us right at$5000!
A couple of interesting facts about that we were given a 15 minute window when we had to show up like I said it was at 2 AM but New Jersey did not allow oversize movement after dark!
When I made a comment about having 15 minutes without traffic in Manhattan to the bridge master he laughed and said that he would hold traffic for 60 seconds “if he could”.

I think if you include all the costs,escorts, police escorts ,spotters,Utility men and tow trucks the last 2 miles of that move cost around \$20, 000 per mile

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#### cvairwerks

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I helped move a B-58 from Carswell to Meacham and back long years ago. Our cost was pretty low, as the tow tractor and some of the support was USAF active duty and reserve personnel. I ran a crew dropping and reinstalling signs on both moves.

#### Pops

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Neighbor hauled a Nanchang CJ-6 across the U.S. Paid a company to do all the routes and permits etc. Everything went well until missing a road by about 100 yds. DOT was following looking for a mistake. went off his route by 100 yds. Huge cost.

#### Bill-Higdon

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Were they the L shaped army green ones with the pack of different colored lenses in the bottom and spring clip on the side ?

I know nothing ,NOTHING!
They never said, but back in those days with all of the "War Surplus" stores that seemed to be everywhere it's possible