# Airbike Composite Wing

Discussion in 'Composites' started by kendavistoo, Jan 25, 2013.

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1. Jan 25, 2013

### kendavistoo

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A few years ago some fellows developed an interesting method for constructing wings for an airbike. What do you all think of this method? It is described at

Airbike Project by MG&BB

Look under the section "Building A/B", "April 17, 2003 - Wing almost done + engine"

2. Jan 25, 2013

### WurlyBird

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I am equally interested to see what those that know more about composite design have to say about this. I think taking an internal structure and simply adding a stressed skin can greatly impact the structure itself. I am working my way through the books to figure it out exactly, but it does not seem to me that it should be to hard to design and build a composite wing or structure once you understand the fundamentals.

3. Jan 25, 2013

### cluttonfred

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Interesting...if you go through to the most recent video, you see that they are glassing the wings in the end rather than typical fabric covering. I'd be very interested in seeing some numbers on this type of construction, especially the weight and impact on overall wing strength vs. fabric-covered plywood ribs (which I think are typical for the Airbike) or even fabric-covered foam and plywood ribs.

EDIT: One variation on this technique, which I would want to use if I tried it, would be to lay out the glass on an acrylic or similar plastic sheet, squeegee out the excess resin, then slip that sheet and glass into some female profile molds to take the rough shape of the wing. That way, the skin would already be glass smooth on the surface and you could bond it to the foam in one step.

4. Jan 26, 2013

### wsimpso1

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Wooden spars, foam filled, glass covered... Um, that was introduced with the KR's in the 1970's.

Fabric covered wings involve building a bunch of ribs, getting them all installed, straight, laced diagonally, and whatever other reinforcements are needed then the fabric covering, tapes, rib stitching, etc. To skip most of that and install foam and glass is physically easier and perhaps quicker, but fabric covered wings in this wing loading and speed range will usually be lighter at the same strength.

Weight you do not need is payload sacrificed and reduced performance.

Billski

5. Jan 27, 2013

### Hugh Lorimer

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Some photos of a wing construction made thus.............

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6. Jan 27, 2013

### sachaknoop

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Thanks! love to see constructions of wings! more picks are always welcome.
Sacha

7. Jan 31, 2013

### Hugh Lorimer

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8. Jan 31, 2013

### sachaknoop

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Ah, Thanks again Hugh!
I am curious how the main wing is finished I see a foam outer layer? So the wing is, except from the 2 spars, almost entirely built out of foam?
Hope you can describe how the wing is finished..

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9. Jan 31, 2013

### Himat

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Thanks for sharing!

10. Feb 1, 2013

### Hugh Lorimer

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Hi Sacha, the outer panels are 0.5 inch extruded polystyrene covered with 290t glass cloth with West System 105/205 epoxy resin. Because epoxy dries with an oily surface I de grease the surface with a strong detergent and after a quick rub down I found white undercoat paint best, the pinholes don't matter because the speed is low and will not affect performance.

Hughie.

11. Feb 1, 2013

### sachaknoop

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So That does the trick! Seems like a really simple way to build a wing, but do I understand that the glass skin is not directly connected to the spar? Is that strong enough?
When I want to finish a glass surface I always cover it with peelply, so there is no need for using detergents. The pinholes I fight by putting on highbuild epoxy undercoat, and squeegie that into the pinholes. Then sanding and spray finish.

I was thinking of making wing skins, but with a sanwhich of glass/foam/glass. I would cover one side of the foam with glass, and put the glass side on the wing when wet, so it would bond with the ribs and spar. Then use maybe mild vacume or probably just weights for curing. After that there is a chance for smoothening the surface, and wrapp the wing in the outer layer of glass. Do you think this would work, or does this just asks for a lot of new problems ????

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12. Feb 1, 2013

### sachaknoop

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Huhg,
Just asking; are you building something at this moment???
Seems like you are the kind of guy that always has something new to build on, or am I wrong???

Sacha

13. Feb 1, 2013

### sachaknoop

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I would like to post a small rhino drawing here, but have no clue how to post it???
Sacha

14. Feb 1, 2013

### cluttonfred

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Export to PDF?

15. Feb 3, 2013

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sachaknoopp, In Rhino4 go the the view menu and down to capture. Select JPEG and give the picture a name. Then add the picture as an attachment which is the fourth icon from the right in the reply toolbar here. For 3D use the perspective window and render the view. Save the file in the rendered view as JPEG in the save as file menu.
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16. Feb 3, 2013

### sachaknoop

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Ok, lets try:

17. Feb 3, 2013

### sachaknoop

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that's a bit small ehhhhhh.
I'll try again later, but thanks for now

18. Feb 3, 2013

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Back in about 1960, an article was in the EAA Mag about a homebuilt that was built by making skins from fiberglass on sheets of aluminum and using the fiberglass sheets as plywood in covering his wings and fuselage sides. I think the airplane was called "Old Iron Sides"
I started hot wiring model airplane foam wings and covering them with balsa about that time. Dan R.

19. Feb 4, 2013

### Hugh Lorimer

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Hi Sacha, I am afraid I now suffer from Parkinsons so I am a has been.But I am still interested. I hope the attached helps to explain the construction of the spar joint treatment. I sandwich the lower closing plate from root to strut hang point to act as a drag spar.

Hughie

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