# WantedAerostar 600/601 wings

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#### Starman

##### Well-Known Member
I want to buy a used Aerostar wing and horizontal tail also if possible, the wing with landing gear installed.

Barring that I want to get some tapered wings from a 4 to 6 seat fast airplane, no Cessna wings, for example. Possibly something like an Aero Commander 112, Navion, etc, but first choice is Aerostar.

I live in Seattle WA but can travel to pick up wings.

Hold THIS vision for me: The plane below is an Aerostar 600. Imagine it without the engines on the wing and without the fuselage, but instead one engine in the middle with a bubble canopy on it, a glider fuselage with a prop in the front.

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#### wally

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Re: Aerostar 600 wings

Hi,
I dont know a thing about them but try Dawson Aircraft Inc. 1-877-293-5300. They have some Aerostar parts listed. Maybe they have a wing they will part with. I used to work with a guy who helped design the Ted Smith Aerostar which became the Piper version. Mr Ron Yex.

Wally

#### Dan Thomas

##### Well-Known Member
Re: Aerostar 600 wings

I really don't think you want Aerostar stuff. It has a reputation of being a hole into which to pour incredible amounts of money. Folks who buy them often end up with something they can't afford. The reason is the long Airworthiness Directive history on the series, and that history highlights some structural weaknesses. Here's the list for the basic Model 600:
PA-60-600 (Aerostar 600)

2003-22-01
11/17/2003
Auxiliary fuel transfer pumps

2001-08-10
06/12/2001
Main Landing Gear Lower Side Brace Assemblies

98-24-29
01/08/1999
Wing Upper Spar Cap

98-04-23
03/13/1998
AFM - Limitations Section - Icing

95-23-11
11/30/1995
Upper And Lower Horizontal Flanges

94-15-13
09/12/1994
Nose Landing Gear Drag Link Assembly

93-13-08
08/20/1993

90-01-02
03/01/1990
Service Bulletin 920 - Fire Prevention

89-03-04
02/24/1989
Cabin Door

88-21-05
11/06/1988
Exhaust Systems (STC SA980NM)

87-21-01
11/02/1987
Fuel Filler Openings

87-07-09
05/15/1987
Exhaust System Components

83-14-07 R3
11/25/1983
Limitations Section -- CG Limit

80-19-14
09/25/1980
Horizontal/Vertical Stabilizer

80-12-14
06/19/1980
Engine Fire

79-18-10
08/29/1979
Cabin Door Latching Mechanism

79-08-05
05/24/1979
Engine Nacelles

79-01-05
12/27/1979
Fuel Starvation

78-18-05
09/13/1978
Wing Tank Fuel Quantity Indicator

74-25-02
12/04/1974
Electrical Attitude And Directional Gyros

71-17-07
08/23/1971
Wing Flap Attachment Rib

71-10-02
05/14/1971
Overvoltage Relay Ground

71-05-06
04/05/1971
Main Landing Gear

71-02-05
01/23/1971
Main Cabin Door Lock Pins

70-25-09
12/18/1970
Microphone Jack Connection

70-23-05
11/16/1970
Fuel Pressure Indicators

70-23-04
08/23/1971
Wing Flap Tracks

You can go to the FAA website and follow the links to the Airworthiness Directives. Click on the "A" at the top of the list, find Aerostar Aircraft, and this list will appear. Click on the AD numbers for details of the ADs and the fixes involved. You could buy a pretty nice airplane for the cost of just one of some of these ADs.

Dan

Edit: I just noticed that you can click on the AD numbers right here and they'll take you directly to the info.

#### Starman

##### Well-Known Member
Re: Aerostar 600 wings

Could you suggest some other wings that could work? I would like to get 120 ft area or more and wings that won't impose too much of a speed limit. Of course, for the right price I could practice some restraint on speed, I'll need to practice that in the beginning anyway, during testing.

Would it be too much trouble to remove the problem parts or just not use them? I think I heard that some of those Aerostar wings can be gotten for $5000 but they are rare. Last edited: #### Starman ##### Well-Known Member Re: Aerostar 600 wings Would it be too much trouble to remove the problem parts or just not use them? That was dumb, I see some of the parts are non optional. Still, if the plane was flying OK before then the parts were working well enough then, it doesn't sound like an emergency situation for a temporary wing #### orion ##### R.I.P. Re: Aerostar 600 wings The majority of ADs issues in regards to the Aerostar had to do with the early 600 series airframes in that they did not have any internal corrosion protection and thus had some issues with required periodic inspections. But the Aerostar wing was one of the most efficient of the day from both standpoints (aero and structure) and it was flight tested successfully to over 600 mph (there was to be a twin turbofan version). A set of serviceable wings for a homebuilt project would be just fine. As far as it being a hole, isn't that just one of the definitions for airplane? Just like a boat. But I know at least three individuals (including our test pilot associate) who own Aerostars and absolutely love them. One note though, keep in mind that the main gear on the Aerostar was pretty long - retracted, the gear extends from its wing mounting all the way to the fuselage centerline. #### BBerson ##### Light Plane Philosopher HBA Supporter Re: Aerostar 600 wings In the latest Kitplanes, a DAR said that the days of using factory wings or other major parts on a homebuilt is no longer acceptable. I don't know if this true, but I would suggest checking into the latest info. #### Starman ##### Well-Known Member Well that sucks! Who might be a local person to contact about it to ask, or would it better to do it my way, shoot first and ask questions later? Maybe it isn't totally implemented yet. I like the tall landing gear on the 600/601 wings, it's perfect. #### snaildrake ##### Well-Known Member Duh, does the wing structure of a twin like the Aerostar carry through the nacelles? You can tell by the question I know nothing about, well, anything. -Dan #### orion ##### R.I.P. The "structure" does of course but the leading edge may or may not, depending on airplane model. But yes, of course, the primary structure (from main spar aft) is constant. #### orion ##### R.I.P. Re: Aerostar 600 wings In the latest Kitplanes, a DAR said that the days of using factory wings or other major parts on a homebuilt is no longer acceptable. I don't know if this true, but I would suggest checking into the latest info. The FAA has generally frowned on the practice but it has been done successfully so best to call a DAR or the FAA. But before you do, have a detailed set of plans for them to evaluate - the airplane might have plenty of stuff to build so if presented right, there might still be a chance. Or he can go ahead and build - with the engines off the wing might not be recognizable as an Aerostar. Maybe? #### Starman ##### Well-Known Member Hopefully the wing leading edges will be continuous, were the continuous ones on the later models or earlier? Isn't there a requirement to hold hands with some inspector and have pre coverage inspections of things like wings? I like the way those wings have been tested to 600 mph. I like that a lot! #### orion ##### R.I.P. The leading edges on the Aerostar do not continue across the nacelle because the engine accessories take up that volume. You'll need to clean that up, form a leading edge and rivet or bond it in place. #### Attachments • 46.4 KB Views: 1,690 • 80.7 KB Views: 2,496 #### Starman ##### Well-Known Member That's OK too, I could maybe put lexan on it and five of the world's brightest spotlights on each side. That way I could see the mountains in the dark That spot could be used to hang something heavy, like a big fuel tank. Thanks for the pictures. #### Starman ##### Well-Known Member I saw a website that had a lot of wings for sale and it looks like Aerostar wings might be out of my price range. I see some Beech baron B58 wings for$15,000 each and that's looks like it's for a bare wing with no flaps or ailerons or nuthin.

Also 1979 Beechcraft A36 (Bonanza?) wings for 18,000 each. If these prices are in the ballpark for common prices then Aerostar wings should be over 20,000 with the gear, shouldn't they?

I was thinking it would be good if I could get two wings for 5000, and it wold be.