# A challenge to you all

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#### Autodidact

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:grin: Rocket girl! Yeah!

#### choppergirl

##### Banned
:grin: Rocket girl! Yeah!
Oh I'm way ahead of you. Training stuffed animal cats in parachutes for Earth reentry, out of my antique home built rocket glider, is only Phase 1...

STUFFED ANIMAL SPACE AGENCY Website

Astrocat Stuffed Animal Trainees:
SCRUFFLES - Purrlot
FREE FALL - Meovigator
DANGER ZONE - Scratchineer

Phase 2... is TOP SECRET.

Phase 3 involves recycling and modding cold war Titan 1 missles, with nose cones painted with sharks heads on them, mounting long range lasars on the nose cones, to defend the Earth from an inevitable alien invasion.... I mean we're just sitting on this blue marble in space, rich in natural resources, raw chemicals, and heavy elements, lolly gagging along... our glowing fuzzy warm illuminated planet is just sitting here, illuminated against the blackness of space, helpless with no planetary defense system, open to being conquered, devoured, processed, and exploited.

Nobody's preparing for this. You think your government is, or NATO? Pfff.... THE SASA may be our only hope. FUND IT!

Stuffed animals make the perfect pilots... as they are immune to psionic alien mind control... and will divulge no secrets about humanity under torture or deep mental probing.

I'm already training ground controllers in the art of earth defense lasar targeting... using the most advanced alien invasion defense training software available our SASA budget can afford... no expense spared:

You may be asking, why not just let the stuffed animals burn up on reentry, or be lost in the infinite void of space?

Well, we can't have that, that would be a PR "public relations" cat-as-trophe...

Think of all the children watching...

...

Senator, we have a stuffed animal missle gap with the Chinese... and its only going to get worse...
Three words: "Immediate Federal Funding"

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#### NoStealth

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Whoa! time to switch to decaf? Please tell me no stuffed tigger's will be hurt making this thing

im back finally.

#### jedi

##### Well-Known Member
im back finally.
And school is back in session. It is time to relight this project and see if something can be built this winter.

This is a roll call to see who is aboard with a GO.

I still am undecided on the power plant so a glider is under consideration but some engine is likely so as to have the 155 pound 103 unpowered limit not be a limitation. I am concerned that this would kill the plan for many potential builders.

Is there support for a new and improved hang glider? Keeping cost under control/no Swift clone. Emphasis on utility and portability without sacrificing performance. Incorporating improvements to control and maneuvering. Having the potential to add self launch power when desired.

#### Armilite

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there look to be some good minds on this site.from what i read here alot of you are very knowledgeable. so i got to thinking, the purpose of a site such as this is to bring people with the same interest together and help the members of this site.so i have a challenge to put toward each and everyone of you.the cheapest way to fly is by far with ultralights.there are lots of kits out there that cost many 1000.00s of dollars.and the name of this site is homebuilt airplanes.so why not put the minds of the people here to come up with a truly unique design of an ultralight. a new aircraft that anyone can build and be much much cheaper than the kits you can buy.make it affordable to the average American worker, lets face it, not all of us have great paying jobs, and some are single parents such as myself. money is tight.but we have a passion as well to fly. i think it can be done way cheaper than the kits,and be a safe aircraft. so work on it and tell me what you come up with.remember,least amount of cost as possible.something some one could build without a big financial burden over the winter. if i get enough ideas i will build it myself.if fly safe we can share the plans with the world for free! any concept or configuration. lets do this people!!! you do not have to have a complete set of plans, just a part,like for the wings and main body, whatever it is, post it here, lets build something together!!! and KEEP COST DOWN!!! lets make this for everyone.! happy thinking!
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You can't entice Kids, younger People into the Sport, if they don't get off their Phones, XBox, Computer, watching TV, basically get out of the House, off the counch! There are many Plans out there for many Ultralights, and Kitplanes, some Good, some not so Good. Your probably better off just Buying a used Plane $500 to$5000 and just making any Repairs or Upghrades you want. Use www.searchtempest.com and search from your Zip Code. There are many ways to make extra money if you try! Picking up Junk Cars/Scrap Metal is the easiest way. I just asked my grandkid 10 yesterday, how many Yards did you mow this Summer, answer (1). When I was a kid I mowed 20 on Avg, Baled Hey, Walked the Bean/Corn fields, Shoveled Snow, did a Paper Route, on top of my Parents Home Chores as a city kid. He does Help Clean at their Apt Building they live in. You can pickup a Good used Rotax 277 for $250-$500, Gear Drives $250-$500. I would buy a New Prop. I traded for a 277 with Gear Drive once for something I had $250 in. Avg Junk Price for a Small Car/Truck$100, Medium Size Car/Truck $150, Large Car/Truck$200. Say $150avg. IF, you Seperate out the Metals like, Steel & Cast Iron(.10 cents a lb), Aluminium(.80+ cents a lb, Copper($1.80+ a lb), Brass($3+ a lb), Platnium($), etc. you will get much more out of it. Cataletic Converters have Platnium in them and they were getting years ago $200 for them alone. That$150 Junk Car/Truck now becomes a $500-$600 car. Some Cars/Trucks/etc., or Parts you may get for FREE, might be worth more than their Scrap Price. Most every Car/Truck sitting in the weeds, usually has either a Bad motor, a Bad Tranny, or Bad Rear End, so two of the Three are usually good. A Good running Motor can bring $400 to$1000, a Good Tranny can bring $400 to$800, a Good Rear End can bring $200 to$400. My one buddy who did some scrapping many years ago, made $1,800 off just one Acreage, (3) Car trailer loads with his pickup box also full and got it all for Free. The guy even helped him load it. He never paid for any Scrap, he would just stop and knock, ask if they wanted it hauled off for Free, and he made over$25,000 that first year working part time about 2 days a week.

$5000/$150 = 33 Cars/Trucks!
$4000/$150 = 26 Cars/Trucks!
$3000/$150 = 20 Cars/Trucks!
$2000/$150 = 13 Cars/Trucks!
$1000/$150 = 7 Cars/Trucks!
$500/$150 = 3 Cars/Trucks!

$5000/$500 = 10 Cars/Trucks! IF, you Seperate the Metals it will be much less Cars/Trucks needed to meet your Goals say $500 Avg.$4000/$500 = 8 Cars/Trucks!$3000/$500 = 6 Cars/Trucks!$2000/$150 = 4 Cars/Trucks!$1000/$500 = 2 Cars/Trucks!$ 500/$500 = 1 Cars/Trucks! My Daughter just got laidoff from her$15 an hour job the other day, Company closing down. $15 x 8hrs =$120 a day, x 5 days(40hrs) = $600 a week,$2,400(160hrs) a Month! After Taxes, probably $1,900 take home a month! Now, I just showed her on Googlemaps (1) Farm stead just outside her Small Town with about 15 Junk Cars/Trucks sitting in the weeds. Say (2) Days Work, 15 x$150 = $2,250 if you just Hook & Pull to Scrap Yard or (4 days Work) 15 x$500 = $7,500 if you maybe Seperate it all, depending on how much work you want to put into it. Much more$ if their worth more than Scrap Price.

Craigslist is a Good Source for Cheap Cars that you can Junk Out or Fix and Re-Sell.

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#### Armilite

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Another way to make some extra Money to fund your Airplane or other projects!

One of my other daughters was looking to buy her first house with her Boyfriend. They were Paying $1100 a month for a 2 bedroom apartment. Now she had always lived in a nice home, ate at nice resturants, had nice clothes, etc., living with me. She was making around$32,000 and boyfriend around $45,000 and his parents had good Paying Jobs also, so he had nice things. I showed them an Old 1800sq ft House, but fixable with a very large lot I believe about 2.4a, with a detached newer Garage for$15,000 in a small town 8 miles away from where they both worked. I told them, offer $10,000 and probably put$15k in it, and then maybe flip it once done for $80,000+, and that I & Mom would Help to do the work to fix it up. They both thumbed their nose at it. Well, 2 weeks late a guy buys it for$10,000, tears down the House, Splits the Property into (2) Lots, one with the newer 2 stall garge put's them right back on the market for $40,000 each. 1st lot sold in 2 weeks, 2nd lot took 5-6 months. Moral of the Story, don't look a Gift Horse in the Mouth and be to choosey. Think of all your options in Life. Around me, used Homes go for avg$140sq ft. Small Town lots avg $15,000+, my towns lots avg.$60,000+, Acreage Land around me avg $10,000 to$20,000+ an Acre. A Small Town 11 miles away the other day had a House listed for $5000, I told my daughter who just got laid off, has Time on her hands, the lot alone is worth$15,000. Buy, Fixup and Flip or Rent it out for probably $600+. Her sisiter is Renting about same size Apt Space for$580 a month with No Garage in a different Small town! I believe it was 780sq ft. If Fixed up, 780sqft x $140 =$109,200.

Anybody, can Paint, Cleanup & Sweep up garbage, Fix a Wall, Trim Trees & Bushes, replace a door or Window, etc. if they try. Today you have very good Video's and Books on How to do just about anything. I built my own Home going on 36 years ago. When it needed Re-Shingled/Full Tearoff, 28 years later, I had my Wife and 3 of the 4 Daughters right up there Helping, so they know what it all entails to Re-Roof a House. Just like working on Cars/Trucks the girls have been under there getting their Hands dirty turning wrenchs. I always tried to show them both sides, I'd say, call up the Chevy Dealer and see what they charge to change that Water pump out, then I'd say call Napa and see what the Water Pump Costs, then they seen how Simple it was to usually change out, well most of the Times it's Simple with maybe a few Cuss Words from Dad to help it along. Moral of the Story, learn to do more things in Life to Save you Money! Then you have Money for that Ultralight or Kitplane.

Me building my house at age 25, took a year working on my off time from work on the Railroad. Dad came down one day to Help me hang some plywood on my Garage/Shop. Oh for them lean a mean, 6ft, 205lb days! 1st photo, my pregneat wife asking me what I want to eat, and I'm telling her a Deli Sanwich that long.

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#### jedi

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Armilite,

Those are some good examples of how to get the job done. If you want it done and done right do it yourself.

Now, are you ready to build that plane?

As in the examples you gave, a little flexibility in requirements can save a lot in expense. The same applies to aircraft construction. A little out of the box thinking can go a long ways towards achieving the big elusive goals at a reasonable price.

Furthermore, incorporating and building on the value of basic goals and requirements can make the end product worth a considerably higher price.

#### Speedboat100

##### Banned
Oh ...so you notissed that too. Some people are possibly born to know everything beforehand.

Isn't that a bit too rich ?

#### Speedboat100

##### Banned
I forgot the deathtrap pic

Let this be a lesson to us all ( on page 4 ).

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#### Speedboat100

##### Banned
View attachment 17632View attachment 17633View attachment 17630View attachment 17631 There are a few nice ultralight designs ready available as plans built. The first inline is the Hummel Ultracriuser, plans built and Hummel offers fuselage formers and wing rib kits and other parts that can be bought as you build. The second is the Legal Eagle. Plans only. The last two are from Ed Fisher, plans only. The Flit Plane, and the Skylite. These are all nice ultralights that can be built from plans. There are more. These are my personal favorites.

I sat in a Hummel Ultracruiser at Oshkosh. I couldn't believe the room I had even with the canopy closed. Even had my airshow hat on.

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#### pictsidhe

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Chopsy, I know what you are talking about. After building and thoroughly testing my plastic-fantastic plane, I'd like to go into production.
A giant 48:72 scale Airfix kit with a zillion parts inside. Actually, the engine really needs to be in a separate box... A basic kit would be the preformed plastic parts. There will be a number of other parts, which could be scratch built or included in the deluxe kit.

#### mcrae0104

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...slugging it out at retail job day in / day out to pay the rent or credit card debt we used to survive on (because govt programs are a joke here), with no sign of freedom on the horizon.
If you don't realize how free you are, no additional amount of freedom will help you. You're not being very true to your self-avowed anarchist roots when you complain you can't make it because you're not getting a handout.

You are the pilot-in-command of your economic destiny. You can choose to continue to ***** about it, or take command of the situation. Your call.

#### choppergirl

##### Banned
Alright then, all implied social contracts are off. I divorce my species.

Plane project in my front yard and two in the shop says I already took command of the situation.

I haven't stopped working on them; I've stopped sharing about them.

You disregarded the core message of my post, and zero in on some minutia.

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#### mcrae0104

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You disregarded the core message of my post, and zero in on some minutia.
I didn't disregard the core message, I dismissed it.

#### BBerson

##### Light Plane Philosopher
HBA Supporter
I am working on an IKEA simple ultralight.... but not really interested in selling any.

#### bifft

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Regarding 5) I read somewhere that the reason Cessna went to yokes over sticks is that it made it easier to get in the cockpit wearing a skirt. So there have been some attempts in that direction.
Certainly more success in this area could double the market.