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PMD

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We definitely DO get "out innovated" in some cases, but much of that is built on a foundation of a very large cyber-squad of the Red Army harvesting bazillions of bits of critical and supposedly secret technical, commercial, military, medical, etc. technology openly stolen by a massive team of professional hackers. Russia, I believe, runs a close second.
 

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I think in a very serious way the Chinese are fair, if you pay for crap you are going to get crap. Like anybody else they are capable of quality for example Porcelain no one could equal it for centuries. If you want quality you have to pay for it no matter where it comes from.

As far as espionage goes though I am a Patriot, anybody stealing to thwart the USA take them behind the courthouse and summarily execute.
 

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After 25 years the patents fall within the public domain, so anyone with the technical capabilities is free to copy what ever he wants.
Engines are a part of these patents.
And the reason that china is taking over marginal businesses is simple, without them several of them wouldn’t exist any more! And buying up those companies gives them access to designs and manufacturing processes. The copy of product design is happening with the Rotax912 series, the design patent fell into public domain, and Zongshen copied the design to the very last shim and is offering the new engine 20 to 30% less expensive than the original design. For sure they are still making profit on it.
 

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And the 'Chinese stealing American innovation' thing is starting to fade a bit. If you're using a 5G cell phone right now, odds are it not only was made in China, but it wouldn't even work without switchgear *developed* in China.

We really need to add 'getting out innovated' to our list of concerns.
For the record Charlie; they full on stole that from a Calgary based company and bankrupted the company in the process. So maybe they did not steal that from the USA, but they did from Canada, which is pretty close.
 

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Some might say, too, that the whole industrial espionage/IP theft issue takes on a whole new meaning when it is conducted by a government as national policy. This ain't Macy's vs Gimbels or Ford vs Chevy.
 

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The US government is too concerned about collecting and storing your data. And don't think they don't. They built a facility out in Utah which is nothing more than acre upon acre of freezing cold warehouses full of hard drives with everything we type on this forum filed in order of comment. . Also known as the 'Cloud".



Some might say, too, that the whole industrial espionage/IP theft issue takes on a whole new meaning when it is conducted by a government as national policy. This ain't Macy's vs Gimbels or Ford vs Chevy.
 

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Without the H1N1 Visa program that allows all the intellectual talent to come into the U.S. to innovate there would be no silicon valley. For decades we have outsourced and imported our intellects. This can be expected when so little is spent on the preparation of young American citizens in the classroom.

The education system was broken when I went to school and its even worse now. The powers that be want teachers to assign "peer" buddies so they can "think, pair, share" ideas. What ends up happening is the more advanced students get paired with a slower learner so that the slower learner can ride the coat tails of the more advanced student. It is a travesty.

Higher order thinking, rigorous lessons, homework, a textbook for each student, forget about it. I was appalled when I first started teaching U.S. History fifteen years ago. There was only a class set of textbooks that each class would use as it was their turn. How do you give homework assignments without a textbook?

Run to the copy machine? Not when you are only allocated 1,000 copies a month. Yea, we are screwed. The game is rigged folks and nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care. Teaching kids how to write in cursive was just recently made state law after about a ten year period of teachers not having it in the state curriculum. We had a solid state senator who recognized the ridiculousness and wrote a bill to remedy the situation. Thank the Lord.

If you can't read or write in cursive, how will you ever truly know what is written on the Bill of Rights and the rest of the Constitution?

It's all by design. Our government is not interested in an educated and informed citizenry. They want obedient workers or to subsidize single mothers. The creation of a vast welfare state is what they want.

Just remember this, if there are no problems in the United States, our government will create one.

We HAVE to invest in our children the proper way and stop making them feel that they deserve a trophy when they clearly do not.

-Yellowhammer
 

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Without the H1N1 Visa program that allows all the intellectual talent to come into the U.S. to innovate there would be no silicon valley. For decades we have outsourced and imported our intellects. This can be expected when so little is spent on the preparation of young American citizens in the classroom.

The education system was broken when I went to school and its even worse now. The powers that be want teachers to assign "peer" buddies so they can "think, pair, share" ideas. What ends up happening is the more advanced students get paired with a slower learner so that the slower learner can ride the coat tails of the more advanced student. It is a travesty.

Higher order thinking, rigorous lessons, homework, a textbook for each student, forget about it. I was appalled when I first started teaching U.S. History fifteen years ago. There was only a class set of textbooks that each class would use as it was their turn. How do you give homework assignments without a textbook?

Run to the copy machine? Not when you are only allocated 1,000 copies a month. Yea, we are screwed. The game is rigged folks and nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care. Teaching kids how to write in cursive was just recently made state law after about a ten year period of teachers not having it in the state curriculum. We had a solid state senator who recognized the ridiculousness and wrote a bill to remedy the situation. Thank the Lord.

If you can't read or write in cursive, how will you ever truly know what is written on the Bill of Rights and the rest of the Constitution?

It's all by design. Our government is not interested in an educated and informed citizenry. They want obedient workers or to subsidize single mothers. The creation of a vast welfare state is what they want.

Just remember this, if there are no problems in the United States, our government will create one.

We HAVE to invest in our children the proper way and stop making them feel that they deserve a trophy when they clearly do not.

-Yellowhammer
I can't say what I think.
 

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. This can be expected when so little is spent on the preparation of young American citizens in the classroom.
Do those countries producing the scientists and thinkers spend more mone money per student than we do in the US? They do not.
Chicago public schools spend $15,200 per student.
The problem isn't money.
 
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Do those countries producing the scientists and thinkers spend more mone money per student than we do in the US? They do not.
Chicago public schools spend $15,200 per student.
The problem isn't money.
WARNING: Off-topic

The problem most definitely is money, just not the way that you think.

Because public education is left up to the local and state governments, the money available to spend on education varies enormously from place to place.

On top of that, go to any major city in the USA and visit the public high school in the poorest part of the city and the one in the richest part. Same school system, so the high schools should be comparable but rarely are.

Public education will never be 100% equal because kids come from homes with widely varying abilities to support and supervise their kids, but equal investment per kid would be a great start.

And before you point to welfare and all the rest, do the math for a single parent working full-time for minimum wage without benefits and supporting just one child.

Yours truly,

A former public school teacher
 

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Yes, those million Uighurs in CCP concentration camps work pretty cheap.
Seems similar as why some workers in the US are pretty cheap too, outperforming (price-wise) Mexican labor.

" As of 2021, inmates in federal prisons earned between $0.23 to $1.15 per hour. " There are over 2 millions of them.

Next time you touch a home appliance "made in the USA", know there is a very high probability it passed through the hands of somebody earning 0,23- 1.11 US$ per hour.
 

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Yes, and prison labor is common in the EU, too.
It is, perhaps, germane to ask why the individuals are being incarcerated. If entire families are being loaded into trains for re-education, perhaps that system is worthy of scrutiny.
 

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Sure: we have criminals/ prison labor/ etc etc too... but then a quick peek at the statistics (number of people in jail per 100.000)

Number 1 : USA = 639 / 100.000
First European Country : Belarus = 345/ 100.000 (check where that pit of downfall is)
Belgium : only at place 151 :( with 95 /100.000
France : 93/100.000 , Germany : 69/ 100000

Are German criminals 10 times smarter than the US-kind and ain't caught that easily? Maybe there is an another explanation.

I do like Freakonomics a lot: it gets people quite upset in a short amount of time for not a lot of money :)
My girlfriend know that too and politely pointed out that men in prison outnumber women behind by bars around 10/1.
Pretty sure some of them prefer prison to their wives...

Sending a gracious wave of hello from "Hellhole Brussels".
 

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It's not just about incarceration rates, obviously. Definitely different cultures experience (and produce) different rates of antisocial behavior of all types and different rates of crime in particular. That's true between nations and it is true within nations.
 
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