# 10/23 Raptor Video

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#### dog

##### Well-Known Member
I think that everybody can agree that fully 50% of raptors current performance deficit could be
remedied with a cooling system and turbo upgrade.
Which in light of the overall effort would be a shame not to do,especialy as a good chunk of
the design work for that sits further back in this thread,with RV6guy articulating the counter intuitive parts well.

#### Jsample40

##### Well-Known Member
Pretty much I think this Forum has done what it is meant to!

It has provided feedback for Peter(if he reads it) on the good, bad and indifferent from a VERY WIDE range of peoples views and experiences.

You cannot get better than that as input to how your endeavors are going, from either a technical, safety or marketing perspective.

Peoples views here may have indeed helped him in ways we will never know, he may have picked up on lots of ideas and advice that has really been useful and even the criticisms he does not like may have affected him in positive ways, either tempering him or driving him forwards.

The passion on the HBA is always evident, that is why I surmise we keep coming back here.

It is an achievement to build any aircraft and get it up into the air, even more so when you designed it, so he does get a LOT of points for that.

But because flying can be a dangerous game many on here have safety as a core MOTIVATION and that may be where the key items people are worried about come from.

The performance promises were clearly something that came out of incorrect calculations or inputs and that is unfortunate.

But the Lilium and Blackfly dudes have a TON OF FUNDS and are basically proceeding at a somewhat similar pace as Peter is as the years go by.

There may be different outcomes but we all like to follow these projects anyway.

Likely because we probably have all had elements of success and failure in the projects we have done in the past, hence our sometimes passionate inputs...

Many cheers
K
VERY WELL SAID!!! Hats off to you Wingitis.... A most impressive assessment, and sincere acknowledgement of Raptor's/ Peter's actual successes & failures. Objective, as anyone with an ounce of engineering skills/ background would project. And not a trace of "SNARKY" CRAP.
Respectfully,
Jay W. Sample

#### Marc Zeitlin

##### Exalted Grand Poobah
He has done, one cannot deny his accomplishments, flown a plane with more or less what he said he would fly it with, an Audi V6 Diesel car engine that has in fact (nearly on the second one) flown 40 hrs when no one on here, including every expert, predicted it would not get off the ground and make a circuit safely.
I was with you until the "no one here, including every expert" part. Assuming that I'm at least vaguely included in the "expert" category with respect to canards, I will point you to the innumerable postings in which I was very clear that after I inspected the plane for Elliot and Justin back in 12/19, I stated that it would almost certainly fly, and be flyable, within some small CG range and small operating envelope. And I'm not the only one who stated as much.

What we DID ALL state was that it was impossible for the plane to get anywhere close to its CLAIMED and predicted performance goals, and that flying out of the very small acceptable operating envelope would not be either possible or safe.

I think all of those claims and predictions have been proven true.

Had the Raptor sales pitch been "we are building a plane that can cruise at 125 mph at 3500' AGL then Peter would look like a genius, therefore I say that Peter should merely change his expectation to his reality and he will be spot on.

#### BJC

HBA Supporter
Someone owes me $1200 for this session. Thank you, Doctor. Bitcoins currently being transferred. BJC #### Richard Schubert ##### Well-Known Member the mental discomfort people experience when confronted by contradictory information Lol, so that's why I cant watch the news, talk to people, or read this thread too much, Everything is contradictory in the "information" age. #### Rik- ##### Well-Known Member I was with you until the "no one here, including every expert" part. Assuming that I'm at least vaguely included in the "expert" category with respect to canards, I will point you to the innumerable postings in which I was very clear that after I inspected the plane for Elliot and Justin back in 12/19, I stated that it would almost certainly fly, and be flyable, within some small CG range and small operating envelope. And I'm not the only one who stated as much. What we DID ALL state was that it was impossible for the plane to get anywhere close to its CLAIMED and predicted performance goals, and that flying out of the very small acceptable operating envelope would not be either possible or safe. I think all of those claims and predictions have been proven true. I gotta say, it's hard to imagine anyone claiming "we're going to spend$3M dollars to create a plane that will be slower and lower than anything else out there with 4 - 5 seats, and it will be unreliable and expensive and completely untested before you get one" being hailed as a genius, but what do I know .
There's always an exception to the group, however, even you can see that the pendulum doesn't swing both ways on this forum very often. It's getting like the evening news, negativity sells.

#### Victor Bravo

##### Well-Known Member
HBA Supporter
Lol, so that's why I cant watch the news, talk to people, or read this thread too much, Everything is contradictory in the "information" age.
We've advanced through the Stone Age, the Bronze Age, the Industrial Age, and the Information Age... thanks to the internet and other factors, we're now in the Dis-Information Age.