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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard6 View Post
    Well it happend again, From Fox News On-line
    “Happened AGAIN” is a little bit misleading since there is nothing yet to indicate a common cause despite being a similar model of aircraft.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Other than occurring in similar circumstances with apparently similar flight path deviation? Time and thorough investigation will tell, but this should at least raise some eyebrows.
    The Chinese have grounded the type.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmcj View Post
    “Happened AGAIN” is a little bit misleading since there is nothing yet to indicate a common cause despite being a similar model of aircraft.
    Would it be fair to say that a B-737 MAX crashed shortly after takeoff, with an erratic flight path prior to the crash....Again.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Mr. Scott summed it up the best: "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by radfordc View Post
    Would it be fair to say that a B-737 MAX crashed shortly after takeoff, with an erratic flight path prior to the crash....Again.
    Looks like it might be something else at play:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QS1LJ

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Earlier 737 models do not have the ability to dump fuel. The max is a much longer range plane. Does anyone know if the max can dump fuel? That could explain the white smoke.
    The most elegant theory can never change reality but even a mediocre theory can predict reality most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedi View Post
    Earlier 737 models do not have the ability to dump fuel. The max is a much longer range plane. Does anyone know if the max can dump fuel? That could explain the white smoke.
    No fuel dump capability on the Max. It has the same fuel capacity as older versions. The increased range is a result of increased efficiency. The new engines are 15 percent more efficient.

    Boeing is working on a software upgrade:

    https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-re...ts?item=130402

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidhawk9 View Post
    Other than occurring in similar circumstances with apparently similar flight path deviation? Time and thorough investigation will tell, but this should at least raise some eyebrows.
    The Chinese have grounded the type.
    The Chinese are playing games for the (unrelated) trade negotiations. As BMCJ said, there's nothing yet that ties one crash to another, beyond "they both happened on takeoff" and that there were (dissimilar) pitch excursions involved. Hardly someone upon which to base the hyperbolic reactions we're seeing around the world, as politicians rush to use the event to glad-hand their constituents and airlines rush to avoid a perceived lawsuit risk.

    I don't know, maybe wait until the NTSB and the Ethiopian authorities figure out what happened? Nahhhh, groundless speculation based on vague news reports is so much more fun!
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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    I don't know, maybe wait until the NTSB and the Ethiopian authorities figure out what happened? Nahhhh, groundless speculation based on vague news reports is so much more fun!
    Add Great Britain to the list of countries banning this aircraft.

    I’m sure we will all patiently wait for the next 24 months while the government authorities determine the cause.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TXFlyGuy View Post
    Iím sure we will all patiently wait for the next 24 months while the government authorities determine the cause.
    While it is a tongue-in-cheek comment (I think), it is true that, in most cases, the NTSB takes way too long to determine the root cause of a crash. In this case, they should be able to determine if the auto trim, procedures, related training, maintenance, and the pilotís action was or was not the cause in less than two weeks. If that was not the cause, it could well take much longer to sift through the parts.


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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    While it does take years for the final report, identified deficiencies are acted on rather quickly and there is certainly urgent effort to identify the cause. It’s not beyond the FAA to ground a fleet within hours of an accident if the evidence justifies such action.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by davidb View Post
    While it does take years for the final report, identified deficiencies are acted on rather quickly and there is certainly urgent effort to identify the cause. It’s not beyond the FAA to ground a fleet within hours of an accident if the evidence justifies such action.
    I'll note that they're not in this case.
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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Trailing white smoke? Yep that magic electricity is a bi*ch... can't put it back in the circuitry...

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    I'll note that they're not in this case.
    Well, the NTSB and the FAA don’t have any control over this investigation. It would be unprecedented for the FAA to ground a fleet without any hard evidence. I’m sure the FAA is feeling some pressure. They have issued a continuing airworthiness directive in response to this accident basically saying there’s no justification to ground the fleet.

    The eyewitness reports seem to indicate the possibility of engine problems but those types of eyewitness accounts tend to be unreliable. The new engines are quite different but I’m not aware of any problems with them. Hopefully, we’ll get some answers soon. I don’t get warm fuzzies over how the investigation is being conducted. I heard the crash site was being pillaged and that they were using bull dozers to move the wreckage.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by D Hillberg View Post
    Trailing white smoke? Yep that magic electricity is a bi*ch... can't put it back in the circuitry...

    There’s nothing new on the Max that makes an electrical fire more likely. If you put credibility on eyewitness accounts, it’s more likely to be a bomb that exploded in the cargo compartment.

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