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    Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Anyone following the YouTube videos on the construction of the prototype, 5 seat, sleek new "Raptor", 300 knots composite canard design aircraft? Looks like a Velocity. I've been watching with interest... I may abandon my a Cozy Mark IV project.

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Last I heard it was DOA unless some other investor took it over.

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Currently it is up and running and progress is reported twice a week right here https://medium.com/@RaptorAircraft The escrow account is set up and there are more than 1/3 (350+) of expected 1000 deposits are made. Looks promising but the offered price of $130,000 "complete" is kind of silly - However I already reserved my spot in the list and monitoring that project very closely with my folks from reaa.ru - we are all in favor of that Raptor project to get succeeded.

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by MikePousson View Post
    Last I heard it was DOA unless some other investor took it over.
    That is correct - the new team is in operation lead by Peter Muller of Australia/Silicon Valley baked designer - the business is relocated to KCNI (Cherokee County Regional Airport) in GA and my scientific estimate: the real prototype would be up in the air by the end of 2016. Will see.

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    I'm going to drop in on these guys, they are literally 20 minutes from where I live. Pretty slick website, very complicated plane!

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by nucleus View Post
    I'm going to drop in on these guys, they are literally 20 minutes from where I live. Pretty slick website, very complicated plane!
    I agree; some impressive work. If you do drop in, how about filling us in on their 3D Milling setup as well as the CAD software that they design and drive this with... Thanks

    Blue skies,

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    Raptor Aircraft Design

    Lots of claims here. Lots of reliance on "area ruling" for conclusions of drag reduction. Lots of reliance on simple vorticity plots for drag reduction and speed and fuel mileage claims.

    Is this an offshoot of Velocity or just a sincere form of flattery?
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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Kempf View Post
    Is this an offshoot of Velocity or just a sincere form of flattery?
    Clearly it is a quantum leap forward in aircraft design. Just look at their performance specs: Raptor Aircraft Specifications A fraction of the price of a Cirrus, with much better performance. Note the range.

    Also note that they have neither an airplane nor a developed engine.

    But they do have a really nice web site!


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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Not too long ago (I guess in 2012) one of our colleagues Mr.canardlover has been discussing his project with us And the last year Silicon Valley baked designer (originally from Australia) Mr Peter Muller joined the forces with Mr canardlover (or Jeff Kerlo to be exact) for that outstanding idea. Peter is an IT guy and knows how to manage the complexity of the creation. So - the web site and the escrow.com idea among with the financial strategy is what we usually do for such complex delivery of our major IT solutions. I started the discussion with Russian/Ukrainian folks a few months back asking their opinion about technical side of the aerodynamics perspectives of that design. We did not come up with the final opinion yet. The real research I am doing in my lab comparing "The Raptor", "Velocity XL", Cobalt Co50 "The Valkyrie", "Phoenix /Orion", "Long-EZ", "VariEze" and "Jetcruizer". There is definitely a potentially interesting outcome from that line of ideas. The marketing variations are not available yet - we are using primarily all open source available information. And I would be ready to share with you guys some of estimated cost of the Raptor may be in a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvegger View Post
    Peter is an IT guy and knows how to manage the complexity of the creation.
    That about sums it up. I know a lot of software PHD's because I am married to one. Not a single one of them could design an airplane in any way shape or form. In that group a mechanical engineer doesn't seem too nerdy.
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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Kempf View Post
    Lots of claims here.
    Quote Originally Posted by BJC View Post
    But they do have a really nice web site!
    Not that this has ever been done in aviation - Make ridiculous performance claims, create a web site filled with computer generated pictures and take deposits from the sheep at a low introductory price only if you act quick!


    "Vaporware", sometimes synonymous with "vaportalk" in the 1980s, has no single definition. It is generally used to describe a hardware or software product that has been announced, but that the developer has no intention of releasing any time soon, if ever.

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by nucleus View Post
    I'm going to drop in on these guys, they are literally 20 minutes from where I live. Pretty slick website, very complicated plane!
    The plane is not that complicated from 2016 position of reviewing it. It is way too far from the reality if you look at it from 2001 point of view. There is a flying Cobalt Co50 Valkyrie that was announced back in November 2015 with more than 80 real orders on the Cobalt-Aircraft table as of today (only 6 months later). If you think of the complexity - The Raptor and The Valkyrie are compatible. However the Valkyrie is not offering pressurized cabin (only oxygen mask for all passengers) and the engine is the key: the Raptor Diesel GT - Audi 3.0L V6 TDI is just another field of an improvement.
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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Kempf View Post
    That about sums it up. I know a lot of software PHD's because I am married to one. Not a single one of them could design an airplane in any way shape or form. In that group a mechanical engineer doesn't seem too nerdy.
    I am smiling a lot I am a software engineer by accident - originally trained as a soviet space craft board-engineer specializing in the Electronics and Computer Hardware fields. Don't you think that I have a solid mechanical engineering background

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson View Post
    Not that this has ever been done in aviation - Make ridiculous performance claims, create a web site filled with computer generated pictures and take deposits from the sheep at a low introductory price only if you act quick!
    "Vaporware", sometimes synonymous with "vaportalk" in the 1980s, has no single definition. It is generally used to describe a hardware or software product that has been announced, but that the developer has no intention of releasing any time soon, if ever.
    I was very skeptical from the beginning myself. However I know how the escrow.com works. It is virtually impossible to loose your money in it. In details: The Raptor team does not have my money. Until they would deliver my order. The money is stored on escrow account. The fast delivery is in their business' interest to deliver the product soon - to get their pay back - and that explains a lot. That is why we (users-clients community) have our updates twice a week - and monitoring team's progress from the beauty and comfort of our office. Those folks are working hard - weekends and late nights are recorded daily. So - I am not advocating them - simply saying it is not any close to what we do when "Vaporware" is being created.

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    Re: Raptor Composite Aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by anvegger View Post
    There is a flying Cobalt Co50 Valkyrie that was announced back in November 2015 with more than 80 real orders on the Cobalt-Aircraft table as of today (only 6 months later).
    Would love to see a video of it in flight.

    Have a link?

    Thanks,


    BJC

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