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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Yes, we have explored various solutions, all of which are not very practical compared to tube rivets which are commercially available.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    I have no idea why this conversation became so long. Off the shelf tube rivets are available which are as strong or stronger than the originals. Just these 2 sentences above were all that was needed to answer this entire post which is pages long.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Aviacs, Kind of lost you there. I have not yet attempted to install rivnuts so I have no idea how this process works. Are you saying to use an elongated pop rivet stem, and create a custom die for a tube rivet? Can you sketch what you mean? Also, you talk about using T26, but from what I...
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Hello SMT: Show a picture of your rivnut set you made. Would your tool work for 4130 tube rivets?
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Hello SMT: Show a picture of your rivnut set you made.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    I like all of your thoughts on the matter, but what is the most practical, and also most similar historically to the original tube rivets? At the same time what solution also answers the original question from 2013? In addition, what solution has the most quantifiable tensile and shear stress...
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Hiloks that someone mentioned earlier is probably a great solution, as they can be found in a form which mimics the original appearance. With that said, I pretty much agree that on a rare plane its probably better to go original of you can even if it costs 4x more in time and money. After...
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Notice the tooling in the illustration.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Do you have their phone# or website?
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Ok, got it, I am not sure the device in the image I showed earlier does that, perhaps it is ratcheting instead? BTW, Other organizations rebuilding Hurricanes use a rivet gun with a special bucking bar and head to install tube rivets. (Of course anything I have mentioned here is hearsay and...
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    "But when someone says "....I could do it right if only i had the right tool..." my mental gears kick in. It is a sickness." Not implying that, but rather an alternative which is original to CCF. Why does this tool need to spin? I must be missing something. I would think that a pull down cone...
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Yes and jewelers also create these rivets from tubes and a round punchwhich pushes the edges outward.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    I didnt either until I talked to 2 Canadians who rebuilt 2 of them.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Hmmm, maybe. Thanks for the ideas.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    I see, when one works on a British aircraft, I think at some point they have to decide on which battles to fight. Lol Do you have a link for your double pipe flaring tool? My idea is to use an alligator riveter with a cone for both of the teeth and do it that way. However the question comes...
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Rather than doing all that, why not use the method ccf used and replace the tube rivets with solid rivets?
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Thanks for the info, I really like the method used on the Canadian Hurricanes of a solid rivet through bushings instead of a tube rivet through bushings. I believe CCF modified the technique.
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    Replicating a Hawker spun rivet joint

    Actually the bushings were not likely used to reduce bearing stress, but more likely for an interference fit. Hawker aircraft didn't use any welding anywhere so it wasn't an option.
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