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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by bmcj View Post
    Why? How many light aircraft do you know of that have 4 wheels? Why redesign the plane when you can make a perfectly stable and controllable 3-wheeler that need only conform to the much less restrictive motorcycle rules? If you ask for new rules, you might not like what you get.

    BTW... I vote for two steerable wheels up front and one fixed at the rear.

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    If it's registered as a motorcycle, you need a motorcycle license to drive it.
    A much easier hurdle to clear compared to adding steering wheels, airbags, additional lighting, smog control systems, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcj View Post
    A much easier hurdle to clear compared to adding steering wheels, airbags, additional lighting, smog control systems, etc.
    Even the "etc" is more complex for a production motorcycle than you might think, at least at the federal level. The EPA will have a few things to add as well.

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Wings View Post
    Even the "etc" is more complex for a production motorcycle than you might think, at least at the federal level. The EPA will have a few things to add as well.

    eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations
    I wonder, are these regulations for all motorcycles or just for commercially manufactured motorcycles? Are the regs different for a hobbyist-built motorcycle (or car)?

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Depends on the state, each state has different rules.

    Road vehicles are subject to regulations that change each year. Using an older [I think] engine in a homebuilt car (or motorcycle) can make it fall under earlier (i.e. less restrictive) regulations.

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    I have just started a new thread asking about the regulations in the Netherlands ... please could explain it ... here is ok ... you know my Dutch is not that good ... :-)

    I'll be thankful if you could give an insight of the regulations on home building an ultralight/microlight as well as flying it ...
    Am moving back to the Netherlands soon and am thinking about building my ultralight there and flying it ... but I have no clue what regulations that I should follow ... if any ...

    Thanks in advance ...

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    I am retiring soon from FedEx and would like to fly people who are in need of medical care free, especially are veteran's. I have inquired with a few organizations already, however, God willing if I get this new Raton experimental aircraft, can I personally do humanitarian flights, belonging to no organization and not accepting financial aid, all out of my own pocket. Is this legal? Thanks Ed

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Your the commercial pilot. I believe you are limited in the number of flights you can do a year. Too many and they will want a 135; mainly because they can't trace you otherwise. Point A back to point A is not a problem; leaving them at point B is.

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by 777Capted View Post
    I am retiring soon from FedEx and would like to fly people who are in need of medical care free, especially are veteran's. I have inquired with a few organizations already, however, God willing if I get this new Raton experimental aircraft, can I personally do humanitarian flights, belonging to no organization and not accepting financial aid, all out of my own pocket. Is this legal? Thanks Ed
    I see two problems right off:

    One - no affiliation with an organization; and
    Two - Experimental aircraft.
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    I think it is legal. He said free.
    If it isn't legal fly a sick person for free without permission then I live in the wrong country.

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by BBerson View Post
    I think it is legal. He said free.
    If it isn't legal fly a sick person for free without permission then I live in the wrong country.
    Well, pretty soon, the FAA will argue that flying by itself is some kind of reward and to fly for hire or reward you need a commercial license. So we'll all need a commercial license soon! I am not stretching the imagination too much here, since they already decided that getting paid in flight time is getting paid, so it's a commercial operation. Even if you supply the fuel.
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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson View Post
    I see two problems right off:

    One - no affiliation with an organization; and
    Two - Experimental aircraft.
    I have known a couple of people with Wheeler Express' that have done the Angel Flight thing.
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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by PTAirco View Post
    Well, pretty soon, the FAA will argue that flying by itself is some kind of reward and to fly for hire or reward you need a commercial license. So we'll all need a commercial license soon! I am not stretching the imagination too much here, since they already decided that getting paid in flight time is getting paid, so it's a commercial operation. Even if you supply the fuel.
    That used to be the FAA's view on glider towing, and it resulted in bizarre logical contortions regarding what of said flight time you could log. But they've backed away from that position, and now it is possible for glider clubs to have private pilots do their towing.
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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by PTAirco View Post
    Well, pretty soon, the FAA will argue that flying by itself is some kind of reward and to fly for hire or reward you need a commercial license. So we'll all need a commercial license soon! I am not stretching the imagination too much here, since they already decided that getting paid in flight time is getting paid, so it's a commercial operation. Even if you supply the fuel.
    I actually got my commercial certificate so I could do glider rides for hire and maybe introduce some future pilots to the experience. But no, the commercial certificate is just one step. You are required to get a "Letter of Authorization". Nobody even knows how much getting that letter costs in wasted time, stress or whatever.
    No way I ask for permission to start a business in my country, just to have a stranger fail to renew it and effectively destroy my investment.

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    Re: Regulations - Aircraft Certification

    Quote Originally Posted by Midniteoyl View Post
    I have known a couple of people with Wheeler Express' that have done the Angel Flight thing.

    From Angel Flight FAQ's

    Are experimental planes permitted to fly Angel Flight missions?

    No, the plane must be certified by the FAA under a Standard Airworthiness Certificate.



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