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    Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Hello all I've been into early flight and its many designs.I've been wanting to recreate an aircraft of that period but there seems to be a lack of plans or kits (besides Airdrome's Bleriot) available.There's not a specific craft I want as I'll take whatever is available.Mainly 1910's period.My skill level is minimal at best but looking to do what it takes to make such an aircraft.What would be recommended for a minimal skill level?Something that can be built in a garage with just the basics.

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Are you looking for something to fly regularily?


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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by BJC View Post
    Are you looking for something to fly regularily?


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    Regularly yes but nothing drastic like cross country.I know they aren't the most sound of designs for flights longer than what the wind can carry on them.

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    I've always liked the Demoiselle https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQT6ebRQNI

    You could build from photos.

    There was a replica Demoiselle at Oshkosh years ago. I don't recall the engine used, but it did fly.


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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Most of the early documents are archival technical drawings unless you want a more popular WW1 plane. There were just not a lot of plans drawn for consumption. They are not the safest or easiest planes to build, but I love them. http://ww1aeroinc.org/blog1/master-materials-list/ has some things. Question you have to ask is do you want something period correct or just look like the period?

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    I had some thoughts on the Demoiselle machine.Its a nice aircraft but looking for something that has a more conventional cockpit.I wouldn't mind a machine that is safer yet still look like something from the period.Size is a factor as well as I don't quite have a large facility for larger aircrafts.I can take either biplane or monoplanes.

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    The 1912 AVRO F is on my "some day" list. A museum in England built a replica so a lot the research has already been done. It looks like it could be a pretty simple build.
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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Google has some free e-books from that time period including plans and several how-to's on building your own aeroplane. IIRC, it includes the Demoiselle and an early Curtis biplane.

    https://play.google.com/store/books/...d=CGRAAQAAIAAJ
    https://play.google.com/store/books/...d=iac8AAAAYAAJ
    https://play.google.com/store/books/...d=IgLoR88s7RAC
    https://play.google.com/store/books/...d=jdhBAQAAIAAJ
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    Great stuff! thanks for the links.
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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Those links of those articles I've been trying to find myself.Can't imagine how easy it is to build a Bleriot let alone a Curtiss and the cost of it.

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Anything wrong with the Dream Classic? I'm not familiar with it, but I think it's been around for quiet some time.
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    Also the Flitplane.
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    I know I've seen pictures somewhere of a very similar Britich aircraft from a very long time ago. Not the Grade Monoplane from 1909, but it will do:
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    I think Choppergirl suggested that the Woodhopper could be made to look similar.

    Also: http://www.pouchel.com/english/index...helle_eng.html

    Or maybe there's an existing ultralight design that could be massaged until it looked like the Latham Monobloc:
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    You wouldn't even need ailerons, though I think you'd need a larger rudder! Note the nice thick wing. At least you could tell which airplane was yours at a fly in. It's too bad the original was so overweight. Otherwise it would have been amazing for the time.

    Maybe you could modify a Goldwing to look like a Bleriot V:
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    Or something a bit more normal, perhaps a Ragwing Duster, to look like a Bleriot VII:
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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    A Fly Baby with a kingpost and a shoulder-mounted wing. Could even leave the engine uncowled for that real old-timey look.


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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Heck, if you're going to go that late, the Pietenpol Sky Scout or Air Camper are authentic, from the late '20's, and you can still get plans for both, if I'm not mistaken. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	57808 You just have to put a radiator up in front of your face if you want it to look like the original. Then there's the Heath Parasol, Longster, etc. etc. Try looking in the old Flying and Glider manuals, available from EAA. There are plans for a bunch of old aircraft in there, though I suggest finding more complete, updated ones. Also, there are imitations available from several vendors. For instance, Ragwing has designs resembling one of the Pietenpols, the Heath, and I think the Church midwing. Not that the Skybaby isn't nice. I once had the privilege of seeing one go together and then, later, seeing it land at the airport I was at. The Stewart Headwind and the Baby Ace look pretty retro as well.

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    Quote Originally Posted by lr27 View Post
    Heck, if you're going to go that late,
    Within 2 pages we will be suggesting Vans.
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    The vast majority of engineering failures are the results of failure of imagination rather than failure of calculation.

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    Re: Seeking drawings or plans (or kits) of Pioneering aviation aircraft

    There used to be complete-looking drawings for a Bleriot XI online but I'm not sure I'd go through the effort just to end up with something so comically impractical.

    I believe enough replica Nieuport IIs have been built for museums that there must be decent information available. It would probably make a nice little airplane with a VW on it.

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