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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Better swarmy than smarmy.

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Quote Originally Posted by ScaleBirdsScott View Post
    Automation will likely end the 20th century concept of employment for good. Something else will replace that concept. Autonomous soldiers will fight other autonomous soldiers....
    Perhaps wars in the next century will be fought by computer simulation. In Star Trek's "A Taste of Armageddon", two enemies fought their decades-long war by simulation. But it was all too real, because if your home was destroyed in a simulation, you had 24 hours to report to a termination station. People dutifully complied or faced execution if they didn't. It was considered a civilized version of warfare since infrastructure was preserved, there were no wounded, no refugees or starving masses... Captain Kirk's solution to end this madness was brilliant!

    The swarming drones remind me of killer bees or that old movie, The Birds. The collision avoidance technology (CAT) is impressive and will benefit aviation. Whether its autonomous cars or drones, we're all gonna need CAT in the future!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon
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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Faraday cages will become more prevalent in/on homes lol
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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Or an electromagnetic pulse.

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Wings View Post
    Yes, it sounds pretty scary but it's just another session of measure/counter measure.

    There is always the EMP solution and my brother tells me his radar could actually track the 20mm from his Phalanx guns so hitting a swarm of drones should be no problem - with the right hardware.
    The problem with using a Phalanx is that its not designed to hit really small targets. Tracking them is easy, hitting them is harder. The Phalanx fires bullets and needs reaction time for the large mass of the gun to react to a target. A small buzzing and darting drone will be impossible to hit because there is no continuity to the flight path like an incoming missile has. Phalanx works on the principle of filling an area with projectiles fired so quickly the pattern resembles a shotgun blast. A group of drones would only need to spread out and fly zig zag patterns to defeat a Phalanx. The opposite side of that is that drones fly relatively slow and could be picked up by radar in plenty of time to establish defenses. Maybe they will issue shotguns to the crews of ships and train them in skeet shooting. There are smaller caliber weapons available that might prove more effective, against drones.
    The big thing to worry about is miniturizing nuclear bombs. If that ever happens, then the drones could be our worst nightmare.

    Maybe an A-10 Warthog firing buckshot type rounds at high speed or ships equipped with metalstorm guns.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWEqyrKLz6M
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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Quote Originally Posted by Winginit View Post
    The problem with using a Phalanx is that its not designed to hit really small targets. << >>
    The big thing to worry about is miniturizing nuclear bombs. If that ever happens, then the drones could be our worst nightmare.
    A 20mm Phalanx might not be the best choice for this mission but a similar system coupled to a 5.56 mini gun just might work.

    Nukes have a minimum size limited by getting the nasty stuff to critical density. Dirty, chemical, and biological are already small enough for micro drone delivery.
    Conventional wisdom and practices yield conventional results. If that is good enough for you:
    Problem solved.

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Drones and a clueless leader... perfect.

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Wings View Post
    A 20mm Phalanx might not be the best choice for this mission but a similar system coupled to a 5.56 mini gun just might work.

    Nukes have a minimum size limited by getting the nasty stuff to critical density. Dirty, chemical, and biological are already small enough for micro drone delivery.
    One should also think about economy, it makes no sense to spend a hundred dollars worth of measures to take down a drone costing a few bucks.

    Boeing developped a CHAMP system for missiles, it is an electromagnetic pusle system which simply cuts the power supply of electric and electronic devices. This same system can be installed in a larger ICE powered drone which could cruise above the small swarming drones, hitting them so they fall down to ground. That way the swarming drones could even be used against the aggressor who sent them in the first place. The total cost would be much lower and one could gain these swarming drones for free.



    It's just an idea how to resolve this swarming drone threat. Taking them down one by one with bullets, rockets, missiles or god knows what would take a lot of time and money.

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    But the people likely to be targeted by these swarms aren't going to have much more than side arms and rifles to protect themselves, or be able to afford EMP weapons.
    Conventional wisdom and practices yield conventional results. If that is good enough for you:
    Problem solved.

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    Re: Swarming Drones. Biggest Thing Since Nuclear Bomb? 60 Minutes 1/8/17

    I went over to my brothers house a few years ago, and he showed me a new pastime he had developed. Apparently carpenter bees had begun to use his front porch
    as a good place to build their homes. They were often hard to spray because of their quickness unless you caught one already inside a board. Others would arrive and
    buzz around the porch. You know how they like to hover just out of range and laugh at you. Turns out that pellets/BBs are faster than the bees. He would sit on the
    porch and skeet shoot em while they were hovering. Obviously he missed a lot, but not always.
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