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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by choppergirl View Post
    As for not discussing people dying... well... the reality is we are all dying here.. whether we like it or not, flying or not. In only 100 years time all of us here will be dead.
    Would you rather die peacefully in your sleep unaware you were dying, or fully awake doing something you loved?
    I'd rather die in my sleep of natural causes, thank you. I certainly don't want to die because of my own stupidity and/or bad decisions / lifestyle choices. Therefore, I'm not going to engage in unwarranted low altitude flying because I think it's cool; I'm not going to smoke cigarettes, shoot up heroin or have a Dr prescribe a cocktail of pills for me to take every day in the interest of a "better quality of life." I'm not going to stuff greasy fries and burgers down my throat at every meal and succumb to self-inflicted heart disease. Poor choices in life increase the odds of an early death and pushing for an early death is not something I love doing. "He died doing what he loved" wow, I don't know of anyone that loves dying, lol. I kind of like the idea of celebrating a 100th birthday. Being glamorized in death by those lamenting "he died doing what he loved" offers me no comfort whatsoever but then I'm not much of a romantic.

    if you knew you were about to unexpectedly die, you'd change your otherwise routine and harmless appearing plan for the day... before the uncanny series of unfortunate and inexplicable events occured.
    For sure, if a pilot could see that his 30 seconds of adrenaline rush buzz job was going to end his life, he would choose a different outcome. That's why the goal is to to make a good decision to begin with because there is no rewind or do over button to correct a bad choice.
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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Wanttaja View Post
    Ooooo, good suggestion:
    The midair collision numbers are very interesting. How much of that is due to a homebuilt pilot thinking "I've got a homebuilt so that means I'm an expert on formation flying"

    I wonder if the first thought in their mind after the metal crunching sound is "oh boy! I'm about to die doing what I love!" Or something more like "this probably wasn't a good idea"
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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Finally, common sense prevails. You guys were scaring me for a second.

    The "dying while doing what you love" is so cliché. In the arms of my wife or with family for this cat.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Scrapper View Post
    Finally, common sense prevails. You guys were scaring me for a second.

    The "dying while doing what you love" is so cliché. In the arms of my wife or with family for this cat.
    Indeed. I have been in a flying situation where I was certain I was going to die and the fact that I was "doing what I loved" was no silver lining. I'll take it in bed, alseep, thanks.

    People who use this reasoning are just trying to make themselves feel better.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    When I die, I want it to be like my uncle Fred; suddenly and unexpectedly, in my sleep, not like his golfer buddies who were screaming in terror riding to the golf course with him.


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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson View Post
    ....The NTSB doesn't list "pilot error" as a probable cause anymore. Perhaps they have evolved as an investigative agency? ....
    Given most crashes are a result of pilot error of some sort, sounds like they've "evolved" to embrace a form of political correctness to me
    ...If you forget this, you will be subjected to a four phase aeronautical process that dates back to the early 1900’s. Stall, spin, crash and burn. Phase 4 requires some amount of fuel on board at time of impact.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BJC View Post
    When I die, I want it to be like my uncle Fred; suddenly and unexpectedly, in my sleep, not like his golfer buddies who were screaming in terror riding to the golf course with him.
    With my boots on in a state of deep sleep an peacefulness, not kicking and screaming like the passengers in the back!
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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BJC View Post
    When I die, I want it to be like my uncle Fred; suddenly and unexpectedly, in my sleep, not like his golfer buddies who were screaming in terror riding to the golf course with him.
    Personally, I want to die at age 95, jumping from a brothel window as the cops bust down the front door.

    Actually, like Yossarian in "Catch-22", I intend to live forever or die trying.....

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Scrapper View Post
    Finally, common sense prevails. You guys were scaring me for a second.

    The "dying while doing what you love" is so cliché. In the arms of my wife or with family for this cat.
    I want to go just like my grandpa ... in his sleep ... not like those that were riding in the car with him!

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Flying low is dangerous only if not planned well, as is any activity.
    Flying low in a jet is not the same as as a 30 kt ultralight.
    Wires are a hazard because they normally are invisible, look for the poles or plan every flight area from the ground first.

    Every flight includes low level flight just before landing. Indeed, the airport is a safe place for low level fun. But as usual, the government inhibits safety by prohibiting this activity in the controlled safety of an airport field.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by choppergirl View Post

    I realize this defies conventional wisdom to gain lots of altitude so you got lots of time to make a plan and find a place to land in a GA plane or ultralight that drops like a rock. But most of where I want to fly I'm already going to be over a place to land in a nice little glider with a not shabby 2.6 lbs/square ft wing loading. When leaving an airport or crossing a huge unbroken forest I plan to gain plenty of altitude to have that margin of safety, until I get to the next field to play in where I can watch the world go by at a blazing 40 mph...
    "Conventional wisdom" in aviation became conventional because so many died when flying low. 100 feet AGL will kill you just as dead as 10,000 feet, but 100' AGL leaves no options and introduces other hazards like birds and wires and towers and sometimes serious turbulence.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BBerson View Post
    Indeed, the airport is a safe place for low level fun. But as usual, the government inhibits safety by prohibiting this activity in the controlled safety of an airport field.
    Our airpark is frequented by Sandhill Cranes. https://www.google.com/search?q=sand...ne,g_1:florida

    Two different FAA safety specialists have recommended low passes down the runways before landing to chase the cranes away. I do.


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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrum View Post
    Given most crashes are a result of pilot error of some sort, sounds like they've "evolved" to embrace a form of political correctness to me
    I think they still list errors as a cause, but not in those words. They state what they say the error was, e.g. "The pilot's failure to maintain directional control during takeoff in gusty wind conditions, which resulted in a runway excursion and a nose over." Simply saying "pilot error" doesn't actually tell you what the error was.

    How much effort is put into investigating small aircraft accidents vs. large ones is another, more controversial matter that I am not qualified to speak to.
    I reserve the right to be smarter tomorrow than I was yesterday.

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Die quietly in bed? Not if I can help it!

    "Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

    Dylan Thomas

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    Re: Crashes in the News - Thread

    Excellent. Dylan Thomas was an alcoholic who died in a Coma. He was a bum.

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