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    Any Ragwing Projects here?

    I am starting a RW 20 project, just wondering if anyone else here is or has ?
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    I'm a big fan of the RW-19 and 20, I hope you start a build log with lots of pictures
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    I was looking at building the RW-22 and bought the plans. When I was studying up on them, I noticed some issues with the design CG falling within the limits that were called out in the plans. If I remember correctly, normal loads (combinations of 180 lb pilot, 160 lb pax, and full/no fuel) would have had it forward and after of the limits called out in the plans. A bigger issue though was that in order to have the CG fall in range, the landing gear would have had to be moved to right behind the firewall. Otherwise the tailwheel would have ~70 lbs of uplift. I emailed Roger about it but I never heard back from him.

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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    I hope so too
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    I think it calls for a 170lb pilot on the RW 20.

    I am looking at modifying to a trike. So a lot of things to refigure.

    Roger is about out of it the past several years.
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Levi View Post
    I am starting a RW 20 project...
    Let me echo FritzW’s comment – I have the plans and thumb through them from time to time – a fascinating bird, but too many other projects; however, I’d sure like to follow a current build of the R20 (or R19). There is an old YouTube vid of one of the variants that looks almost too good to be true…

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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    That's the same one that is shown with the plans , now sold with a DVD or downloadable. Under 50' on landing and takeoff. They claim 30 '.

    Right now I am reorganizing my shop, while scouting material.
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    Quote Originally Posted by skybound View Post
    in order to have the CG fall in range, the landing gear would have had to be moved to right behind the firewall. Otherwise the tailwheel would have ~70 lbs of uplift.
    Something sounds off about this statement. I don't know who it lies with but it sounds like somebody along the line either mis-measured, misspoke or misunderstood what was going on.

    If you do a search on the forum for Ragwing you'll see there have been a number of projects started on here and even a few finished.

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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    Hi Tim

    I saw that, and was wanting to see if any builders were active here.
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger Tim View Post
    Something sounds off about this statement. I don't know who it lies with but it sounds like somebody along the line either mis-measured, misspoke or misunderstood what was going on.

    If you do a search on the forum for Ragwing you'll see there have been a number of projects started on here and even a few finished.
    My math (and memory of the results) very well could be off. There was a fair amount of geometry in the wings to get the CG range and I very well could have made a mistake in the math there. There were also a few other factors that led me to choose another plane. I wouldn't say anything bad about it, I just don't think it was the right plane for what I was looking for. I've heard lots of good things about the ragwing planes and would love to follow the build of on.

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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    There is another Ragwing that I like, the Special 26, but the 20 has the cabin, our season is too short for me to justify a short season flying plane. I have a couple more things to get done in the shop, while searching for wood, and order some plywood.
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    Anyone here ever considered the Pazmany PL-9 Storch ? The plans are quite a bit more expensive, but they are also quite a bit more extensive.

    I don't believe there has ever been a more detailed set of plans for a homebuilt airplane.
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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    The Pazmany Storch is a different animal. Its standard homebuilt, where as the RW 20 is more of a fat UL. The RW 20 is about starting with the lightest airframe and engine and then it is strong enough to carry someone. Once you add the passenger, you just added 25%, guess, to the gross; the plane will be a different animal. The Pazmany is regular construction, heavier, and bigger engines, tougher construction. It is full size Cub and Bearhawk Patrol type of aircraft. Across the taxiway, there is one of the Australian Storchs, I believe it was the US factory demo plane. It is a project now; blown over in a wind and wings damaged. It is an impressive aircraft stands very tall. Real ones had a machine gun out the back though.

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    The RW26 looks like it would be a ton of fun to fly and the season can be pretty long if you dress warm...

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    Re: Any Ragwing Projects here?

    Quote Originally Posted by TFF View Post
    The Pazmany Storch is a different animal. Its standard homebuilt, where as the RW 20 is more of a fat UL. The RW 20 is about starting with the lightest airframe and engine and then it is strong enough to carry someone. Once you add the passenger, you just added 25%, guess, to the gross; the plane will be a different animal. The Pazmany is regular construction, heavier, and bigger engines, tougher construction. It is full size Cub and Bearhawk Patrol type of aircraft. Across the taxiway, there is one of the Australian Storchs, I believe it was the US factory demo plane. It is a project now; blown over in a wind and wings damaged. It is an impressive aircraft stands very tall. Real ones had a machine gun out the back though.
    That's a very good assessment. My idea is to just very lightly add some structure thickening and a bit higher hp engine. To offset that 25% increase.

    The pazmany is a very impressive plane but much higher building cost, the engine alone is more then the cost of the RW 20. The Pazmany is a heavier plane , empty weight twice the Ragwing, and engine 3Xs the hp.
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