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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Quote Originally Posted by BJC View Post
    That is a good looking airplane in the OP, but it is not a PT-22.

    It is a Ryan ST, a civilian airplane, with an inline engine rather than radial, and a straight wing.


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    Your kidding right?

    Here is a photo of the PT-22.


    Looks like a radial to me.

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard6 View Post
    Your kidding right?

    Here is a photo of the PT-22.


    Looks like a radial to me.

    Richard
    Yes, but it doesn't look like the un-crashed plane in the OP, which is, I think, what he was referring too.
    I'm right 97% of the time, who cares about the other 4%......

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard6 View Post
    Your kidding right?

    Here is a photo of the PT-22.


    Looks like a radial to me.

    Richard
    BJC was pointing out that Ford was in a radial powered PT-22, but the original poster posted a picture of the inline powered Ryan ST (see post #1).
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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    What?
    Are you suggesting that someone published a picture of the wrong airplane?
    I am shocked and out-raged!
    I am scandalized
    A professional journalist would never make that mistake?
    Professional journalists employ professional fact-checkers who devote hundreds of hours to ensuring that the public hears " the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Shortly after takeoff from Santa Monica Municipal Airport in Southern California, the pilot advised the air traffic control tower controller that the Ryanís engine had lost power, and he requested an immediate return to the airport.

    He initiated a left turn toward the airport, however during the approach, he realized that the airplane was unable to reach the runway.

    Subsequently, the airplane struck the top of a tree and then hit the ground in an open area of a golf course


    A post-accident examination of the engine revealed that the carburetorís main metering jet was unscrewed from its seat and rotated 90į. The unseated jet would have allowed an increased fuel flow through the main metering orifice, producing an extremely rich fuel-to-air ratio, which would have resulted in the loss of engine power. It is likely that, over time, the jet gradually loosened from its seat, which allowed it to eventually rotate 90į.

    A review of the airplaneís maintenance records indicated that the carburetor was rebuilt during the airplaneís restoration about 17 years before the accident.

    The carburetor maintenance instruction manual contained no pertinent instructions for the installation of the jet assemblies.

    Further, no maintenance entries in the engine logbook regarding carburetor maintenance were found.

    Had the carburetor maintenance instruction manual identified a means to ensure the security of the main metering jet, it is unlikely that the jet would have become unseated.

    There was no record of maintenance personnel inspecting the carburetor jets during the previous 17 years nor was there a requirement to do so.

    The front and rear seats of the airplane were equipped with non-factory-installed shoulder harnesses. The pilotís shoulder harness was installed by mounting the end of the restraint to the lower portion of the seatback assembly, which was made of thin aluminum. No reinforcement material or doublers were installed at or around the attachment bolt hole in the seatback.

    The lack of reinforcement allowed the attachment bolt, washers, and stop nut to be pulled upward and through the seatback structure during the crash, which resulted in the pilotís loss of shoulder harness restraint.

    It is likely that the improperly installed shoulder harness contributed to the severity of the pilotís injuries.

    As a result of this investigation, the NTSB is working with the pilot community to inform them of the lessons learned from this accident: The security of the carburetorís main metering jet and the security of the shoulder harness are both critical aspects of aviation safety.

    Probable cause: A total loss of engine power during initial climb when the carburetor main metering jet became unseated, which led to an extremely rich fuel-to-air ratio. Contributing to the accident was the lack of adequate carburetor maintenance instructions. Contributing to the severity of the pilotís injuries was the improperly installed shoulder harness.

    NTSB Identification: WPR15FA121

    This March 2015 accident report is provided by the National Transportation Safety Board. Published as an educational tool, it is intended to help pilots learn from the misfortunes of others.
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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    How many has he wrecked now? does he qualify as an ace?

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodeaddogs View Post
    How many has he wrecked now? does he qualify as an ace?
    How's that relevant to post #50 above yours?

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodeaddogs View Post
    How many has he wrecked now? does he qualify as an ace?
    Dunno, from that NTSB report, it sounds like a pretty clear case of "not his fault" in terms of the cause of this incident.
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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    There's only a few people who rebuild Kinner engines anymore. One of the most well known is in Santa Paula, CA, Antique Aero Engines, operated by Al Ball and (recently) his son Brad. If they are looking into how, who, or why that metering jet was not safetied, and if they are wanting to make sure it doesn't happen again, Al and Brad Ball should be in the middle of the discussion if they aren't already. I'm sure there are several other Kinner people around the country, but Al Ball is certainly as good as any.
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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Makes me think I should open up the carb on our PT-22. Add that to the list I guess.

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    not a bit, really...the celebrity factor is making this crash news and keeping it going long after it should be put to bed.

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    Re: Harrison Ford hurt in plane crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Twodeaddogs View Post
    the celebrity factor
    Definitely the major factor here, same as with the runway confusion at Orange County. Ford has shown himself to be a competent pilot. Maybe not like a brand new AF test pilot school graduate, but certainly better than a whole lot of the Bozos I've seen driving Cherokees and Cirrus'es around these days.

    Having spent time around well-known people in Hollywood in another life, I can 100% verify that there is another set of rules for celebrities. 90% of the time those VIP rules favor the famous. VIP treatment in restaurants, girls throwing themselves at you, people kissing your backside even if you're a complete jacka$$.

    Every once in a while somebody's status as a celebrity turns the odds against them. Somebody punches or kicks a famous person for no reason, the famous person punches them back, and the attacker gets $11 Million in a lawsuit. Celebrity's wife gets drunk and cheats on him, but the wife gets $20M in the divorce. Have a carburetor come apart in the air and your competence gets publicly called into question.
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