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    Third Class Medical?

    Told my friend that I won't be able to pass the next medical due to high blood pressure. I'm taking 320mg Diovan and 300mg Tekturna. He said that I should just lie about my high blood pressure on the next physical. Any advice??

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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    If you lie, your insurance is invalid. They usually check your pressure anyway is my experience.

    Post this question on the AOPA forum (medical section). The doctors that answer posts there have a lot of experience with the FAA and know what you should do.

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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    You could let your medical laps, and start flying LSA.

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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    Quote Originally Posted by rrruuunnn View Post
    Told my friend that I won't be able to pass the next medical due to high blood pressure. I'm taking 320mg Diovan and 300mg Tekturna. He said that I should just lie about my high blood pressure on the next physical. Any advice??
    Yeah I do have some advice: It's kinda hard to lie when the nurse or doctor puts a BP cuff on your arm and takes a reading. If your meds are successfully controlling your high BP and are not on the FAA 'banned' list, then go ahead and get your 3rd class. Might take an extra bit of paperwork from your regular doctor about how well your BP is controlled, but other than that it should be a slam-dunk.

    If you don't want to do that, then go as others have said here: Let your medical lapse and fly LSA. If you try to lie your way through the 3rd class and your medical is denied, you're pretty well and thoroughly screwed. Can't fly LSA with a driver's license if your most recent application for a 3rd-class medical has been denied - until you successfully pass another medical. Lacking that, the only thing you can fly is a Part-103-legal ultralight.

    Even flying LSA with a known condition is technically a rule violation - the last line on the Sport Pilot Certificate application is where you assert (in writing) that you have no known condition that would interfere with your ability to safely operate an aircraft. If you know you have high BP, then you know you have a condition like that. Which is not to say that a lot of people don't lie at that stage, but you should be aware of what you're doing if you go that route, or lie on a 3rd-class medical application: You're falsifying a federal document. If you're okay with that, go for it, but personally I think it's just easier on the mind to just fill out a little extra paperwork each time you renew.
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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    [quote=Topaz;35088]

    Even flying LSA with a known condition is technically a rule violation - the last line on the Sport Pilot Certificate application is where you assert (in writing) that you have no known condition that would interfere with your ability to safely operate an aircraft. If you know you have high BP, then you know you have a condition like that. quote]

    I would dispute this...

    Under this circumstance...you only KNOW you have a condition that makes you ineligible for an FAA Medical Certificate...not that interferes with your ability to safely operate an aircraft...

    I refuse to accept that those are one and the same...sometimes for some pilots this may be true...for some it is not...!

    The entire manner of dealing with Aeromedical Certification needs to change so it removes the adversarial relationship that exists between most of us and our AME's...it is counter to its stated purpose of improving aviation safety...

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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    Good response Dave -and entirely accurate. There are many people out there who cannot pass a 3rd Class Medical --but still have the skills and physical abilities to operate aircraft under the Sport Pilot rules--

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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    Hi,
    Seems like I remember a link here on a discussion similar to this that went to a website with a list of drugs the FAA didn't like. From what I remember, the FAA does not have an official list of disqualifying drugs but there is an unofficial list that has been put together.

    Just so you know, there are a lot of drugs for various things and a host of conditions/surgeries etc. that are acceptable to the FAA after a various amount of paper from your doctor has been submitted.

    Or just don't go take the exam again, and fly sport pilot.

    I think it works like this - if you have NOT been denyed a medical and still have a valid state driver's license, you are good to go sport pilot.

    If you have been denied, it is possible but much harder to get sport pilot because you now have to somehow get that denied medical removed. Not impossible but close to it!

    Best wishes,
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    Thats what happened to me --I had been getting a special issuance medical for years--my Dr changed my meds to a better one and the Feds denied my med. After discussion with my Dr I went back on the old meds and got my 3rd class back --I let it expired and now fly under the SP --My meds are between me and my DR (who is a pilot) --When he tells me I shouldnt fly anymore -I wont --but until that time I have no conditions that would be detrimental to flying--
    I know this may sound stupid --but one of my requirements for my General Practioner and any Specialist that deals with incapaciting conditions is that they be a PILOT -I always explain my situation -they have all given me the thumbs up to continue flying--

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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    MMMike said it best. And it exactly fits my situation.
    I flew under Special Issuance from 1998 to this past year. Then I let it lapse. What I want to fly is Sport Pilot eligible anyway.
    So, RRRunnn, just do as the man says. Do Not go back for Any FAA Medical whatsoever. Fly Sport and Prosper!
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    Have to agree... unless you absolutely know for a fact you will pass, dont even try. If you lie, and something happens, you will be in trouble. If for some reason, you dont make it through whatever, your family will take the brunt of it.
    Also remember, there are 'prescription databases' comming online to keep track of who is taking what and from what pharmacy. Its really only at the 'abused drugs' stage, but that will change (Big Brother anyone?). Then all a doc has to do is take a quick look and see what you have been taking.
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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    My AME in San Jose was a Geriatrics Specialist. Whenever I went in for my Class 2, there was always a waiting room full of 80 - 90 year olds.

    On one visit, the Dr. confided in me;

    "I like you pilots, you could come into my office in a body cast, on a respirator, with IV tubes hanging out. When I ask "How are you doing", you'll always respond; "Hey, I'm doing great, never felt better"".

    "If I ask one of my regular patients how they doing, I generally need to get a stenographer in here to start taking notes."

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    DO NOT LIE!! That's a great way to get in some SERIOUS trouble with FAA. I have diabetes and have a 2nd class medical with special issuance. Extra paper work and proof you have it under control. Some people who have lied wound up not being able to fly ever again. All you need is one ramp check or a slip of the tongue and your sunk. I joined AOPA who helped me figure out what I needed to do to keep flying. It was the best $40 I ever spent. And as for LSA, well... FAA is a little jerk when it goes there. Once you have a medical and loose it, you can't fly under LSA if you hold a PPL. I asked FAA when I lost my medical for diabetes and AOPA confirmed it. But, if you've NEVER had a medical and PPL, you can fly under LSA. AOPA is appealing this FAA rule. I don't know if they've been able to reverse it yet. All you need to do (assuming it's the same for diabetes) is 1. get you High Blood Presure under contol, 2. get a letter from your doctor stating that you have it under contol and what meds you are taking (make sure they are FAA approved), 3. apply for a special issuance Medical Certificate. Like I said earlier, AOPA have staff trained to help you with medical issues. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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    Re: Third Class Medical?

    Once you have a medical and loose it, you can't fly under LSA if you hold a PPL. I asked FAA when I lost my medical for diabetes and AOPA confirmed it.
    However, if you did not seek to renew your medical, you can let it lapse and fly SP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midniteoyl View Post
    However, if you did not seek to renew your medical, you can let it lapse and fly SP.
    I'm not sure about that one, Jim. When I lost my medical in 2004, FAA and AOPA said I was grounded until I got my medical back and I wasn't eligible for SP because I had a PPL and I couldn't "downgrade" my license. Hopefully, the law was fixed after that. You'd have to check with FAA and/or AOPA to be sure. Looked up FAR 61.3 and it says:
    A person who has applied for or held a medical certificate may exercise the privileges of a sport pilot certificate using a current and valid U.S. driver's license only if that person—
    (A) Has been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent application; and
    (B) Has not had his or her most recently issued medical certificate suspended or revoked or most recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate withdrawn.

    Also regarding expired or lapsed certificates, § 61.11 Expired pilot certificates and reissuance.

    (a) No person who holds an expired pilot certificate or rating may:
    (1) Exercise the privileges of that pilot certificate or rating; or
    (2) Act as pilot in command or as a required pilot flight crewmember of an aircraft of the same category and class specified on the expired pilot certificate or rating.


    According to AOPA legal, if you have held a third class medical and lost it and can't get a special issuance, you can't fly. FAR part 61 - Certification: Pilots, flight instructors, and ground instructors.


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    IMHO, the law's not fair. If I can get a divers license even if I have diabetes, I can get a SP without a medical cert. But, if I get a medical cert and PPL and get diabetes, I can't fly even under SP unless I jump through a years worth of hoops for FAA. Just my 2 cents worth.
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