yellow tag question

I had a prop that i sold that was inspected and rounded tips with a yellow tag that came with my airplane when i bought it. I sold it as a "propeller with a yellow tag".

Well now about a month after the sale is complete the guy emails me and says the yellow tag is no good because its over ten years old. I didn't even bother to look at the yellow tag before i sold it or sent it. I didn't even know a yellow tag had a time limit on it. He saying its going to cost him 450 dollars to get the prop inspected, which seems high, but didn't ask for compensation. the prop was a fixed prop of a Grumman Yankee that i sold for $900.00.

suggestions?

The buyer may have heard thats props are required to be overhauled every 5 years. Actually there is no such law to overhaul props at 5 years.

A yellow tag does not expire. A yellow has no particular significance and is not described in the federal laws. The yellow tag is just a industry standard that repair stations or mechanics use to identify and label parts. There is no law that requires a yellow tag. It is up to the mechanic that installs the prop to determine airworthiness issues. He may or may not want a to see a a yellow tag.
The prop should be good, but only the installing mechanic can determine that.

I assume this is a "spare" prop. If the prop has been in service for ten years then in that case the yellow tag has indeed "expired".

Originally Posted by BBerson

The buyer may have heard thats props are required to be overhauled every 5 years. Actually there is no such law to overhaul props at 5 years.

A yellow tag does not expire. A yellow has no particular significance and is not described in the federal laws. The yellow tag is just a industry standard that repair stations or mechanics use to identify and label parts. There is no law that requires a yellow tag. It is up to the mechanic that installs the prop to determine airworthiness issues. He may or may not want a to see a a yellow tag.
The prop should be good, but only the installing mechanic can determine that.

I assume this is a "spare" prop. If the prop has been in service for ten years then in that case the yellow tag has indeed "expired".

i assume the prop has not been in service since the yellow tag was issue, the prop was off the plane when i bought it.

So what you are saying is that the prop is good to go.

If the prop looked like it was overhauled, I would say it was good to install.

Originally Posted by BBerson

If the prop looked like it was overhauled, I would say it was good to install.

This is what he sent me in the email:

"You advertised the prop as yellow tagged. Once installed an item must be
inspected to have a current yellow tag and 8130. The prop looks good and
probably would be declared serviceable and airworthy."

I dont understand, I sent a yellow tag and a 8130 with the prop, i think he is hung on the part it is over 10 years old.

Ask him what a current yellow tag means.

A "yellow tag" is the industry standard to mean the inspector found the part servicable at the time of the inspection. It does not always mean the part is overhauled, zero timed, or new - it simply means "servicable". If the condition of the prop did not change between the time it was inspected and subsequently sold, it's still "yellow tagged". If the item was shelf life limited, such as a component with rubber products, etc, then that is a slightly different story. I'm an A&P, and I would have to have a much more compelling reason to reject a fixed pitch metal prop than simply the age of the servicable tag. I think you are in the clear as long as the condition of the prop has not changed since the inspection.

He claims the condition of the paint is indication of wear.... but i don't think on the 8130 form i had for the prop indicated it was painted. but i might be wrong.

this was his latest email to me:

The paint condition and wear, indicates that the propeller has been used since yellow tagged and I do not know anything about the prop since yellow tagged.


Hours or Years?
Props have recommended overhaul intervals based on calendar time and flight hours. Depending upon the prop model, this could be 1,500 or 2,000 flight hours, but there’s also a calendar limit (typically five years) that too many pilots ignore. This is a serious problem in a fleet that flies, on average, fewer than 100 hours per year. At 100 hours per year, a typical 2,000-hour prop might not get checked for 20 years! This is clearly imprudent, so the calendar limit applied.

Have the prop overhauled at either the time or calendar limit, whichever occurs first. If the engine comes up for overhaul before the prop reaches either limit, most shops will recommend removing the prop and governor and having them overhauled anyway. This will get the times in sync.

i sent him an email asking him if the 8130 stated the propeller was painted, and he said no. But stated the tips were worn indicating use.

I know for a fact the 8130 stated the prop had the tips rounded which if they didn't paint the prop would show bare aluminum....

I dont understand where this guy is coming from

Maybe he is having sceond thoughts about buying it and wants to find a reason to return it?

An 8130 generally states that an item has been inspected and found to be in usable condition, nothing more. I have even read of cases where a mechanic has used a yellow tag as a squawk list detailing why an item falls short of being usable. I don't know if the latter is valid use of a yellow tag, but the person that used the item (assuming that a yellow tag meant it was good) got reprimanded by the FAA for failing to read the detailed comments.

Originally Posted by skeeter_ca

Maybe he is having sceond thoughts about buying it and wants to find a reason to return it?

I would be more willing to let someone return it to me if they were up front with me. But if this is the case and he wants to make up crap to try to get me to take it back, he can piss in the wind for all i care.

Originally Posted by K-Rigg

i sent him an email asking him if the 8130 stated the propeller was painted, and he said no. But stated the tips were worn indicating use.

I know for a fact the 8130 stated the prop had the tips rounded which if they didn't paint the prop would show bare aluminum....

I dont understand where this guy is coming from

OK,

Let's see if I understand...

10 years ago your prop apparently was modified (rounded tips), then inspected and found servicable... No mention of overhaul or refinishing, right?

Fast forward to present day and the new owner claims there is evidence of use AFTER the tip modification and subsequent inspection...

Without looking at the "evidence" of use, all I can say is that he has a valid point if it was flown after inspection. If it was flown, even once, the yellow tag is "dead" and you simply sold a used prop, "condition unknown". However, as I said before, if the yellow tag indicates the condition that the prop is in now, then the tag is "valid" (subject to the inspector's credibility, of course).

Originally Posted by Toobuilder

OK,

Let's see if I understand...

10 years ago your prop apparently was modified (rounded tips), then inspected and found servicable... No mention of overhaul or refinishing, right?

Fast forward to present day and the new owner claims there is evidence of use AFTER the tip modification and subsequent inspection...

Without looking at the "evidence" of use, all I can say is that he has a valid point if it was flown after inspection. If it was flown, even once, the yellow tag is "dead" and you simply sold a used prop, "condition unknown". However, as I said before, if the yellow tag indicates the condition that the prop is in now, then the tag is "valid" (subject to the inspector's credibility, of course).

I bought an aircraft with the prop in question as an extra that came with it, the airplane has a climb prop on it right now and the prop i sold has been sitting in my office. the previous owner of the airplane bought the plane with the same prop i sold as an extra. to my knowledge its never been on the plane after the yellow tag.

The prop when i shipped it was in very good shape, better then the prop thats on my airplane now. I advertised the prop as being yellow tagged after the prop had its tips rounded. I never stated that the yellow tag was current, i didn't know it mattered.

know from one of the previous post, the prop does not have a TBO time and that the 5 years for overhaul is not actually a law. is this true?

this was the email i sent to him describing the prop to him before he sent me a check and shipped the propeller. is there anything in this description where i lead him astray from what he got?

the prop is a SCM7157 and design 1a105, the
> prop
> > has
> > > been cut down an inch
> > > > and the tips rounded and yellow tagged. it
> came
> > > off of a Yankee with a
> > > > 0235 on it.
> > > >
> > > > will you pick it up or do i need to ship
> it?