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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    If you want a plans built 4-place, carry everything with you airplane, it's hard to beat the Bearhawk. I scratch built mine over a 4 year period and fly it regularly. You can see my website, building experiences and flying fun at my website. Check out my recent trip report to Oshkosh on the website:

    Oshkosh '09 page 1

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Quote Originally Posted by enewton57 View Post
    If you want a plans built 4-place, carry everything with you airplane, it's hard to beat the Bearhawk. I scratch built mine over a 4 year period and fly it regularly.
    Eric, are you familiar with the Christavia Mk4? If so, how would you compare it with the Bearhawk? Just curious.

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcj View Post
    Eric, are you familiar with the Christavia Mk4? If so, how would you compare it with the Bearhawk? Just curious.

    Bruce
    Hi Bruce,
    I am not too familiar with the Christavia MK 4. I tried to do a search for the specs on it to make a comparison and came up blank.

    Attached are pictures of the Christavia MK4 and the Bearhawk for comparison.

    Here are the Bearhawk specs:


    Top Speed (Vne) 175 mph, IAS
    Cruise Speed (260 hp) 155-160 mph (60%), TAS (varies with builder,engine,weight)
    Cruise Speed (180 hp) 140 mph, TAS
    Landing Speed 40 mph, IAS
    Takeoff Roll 200-500 ft, demonstrated (depends on engine)
    Rate of Climb @ gross 1,500-1,700 fpm (varies with builder,engine, etc.)
    Range @ 65% est. 650 mi.
    Range @ 50% est. 900 mi.
    Empty Weight 1150-1350 pounds (varies w /builder /engine /prop)
    Gross weight 2500 pounds (2700 pounds on floats)
    Useful Load 1350-1150 pounds (varies w/ builder/ engine/ prop)
    Fuel Capacity 50 gallons (standard) 68 gallons (optional, w/aux tanks)
    Wing span 33 ft.
    Wing Area 180 sq. ft.
    Length 23 ft. 6 in.
    Cabin Width 42 in.


    Cabin Length 9 ft 8 in. (firewall to back of back of baggage area)
    Engine HP range 150-260 hp
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??-christavia.jpg   Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??-done1.jpg  

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    I have a CF-4 Four Runner for sale if anyone is interested email me at maintenance@onezerocharlie.com.

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveK View Post
    If anybody is interested in the Four Runner there is an article in Sport Aviation, August 1974 page 35. This was published right after it was flying. The plane has been cleaned up substantially from the photos in that old issue with a different cowl, windshield and what not, its a beauty now. but the article gives you an idea of the construction. Calbie also has plans for a metal wing for the Tailwind which is pretty popular.

    I really would like to build one myself if I get the chance. Group build anyone?
    Great looking plane.
    I am also out of Auburn Muni. If you get some plans, I would like to have a look. Maybe work on the build with you.
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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Quote Originally Posted by bmcj View Post
    Yes, the Christavia is a very good choice. A friend of mine has one in the final stages of construction. For those not familiar, it looks very much like an enlarged, 4-place Aeronca Champ.

    Bruce
    How much would you estimate on overall cost?

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Isn't Lancair Evolution also possible to build as a homebuilt ....as a kit at least ( same thing ? ) ?

    http://www.generalaviationnews.com/w...Evolution2.jpg

    With 330 KTS speed that is no underdog in travelling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancair_Evolution

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Then again, I'm partial to this plane.. Composite Aircraft Technology
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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    What actually killed the White Lightning ?

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Yeah, I'd be interested in that too.

    To put some oil on the discussion: The Dyn'aero MCR4S is one of the best recent designs I'm aware of. 750 lbs empty, 1650 MTOW, and perfect performance on the 100HP Rotax.

    Dyn'Aero MCR01 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The newest version beats the C172 on every aspect. 2/3rd of the HP, much more speed, climb, comfort and a third of the cost...

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Quote Originally Posted by topspeed100 View Post
    What actually killed the White Lightning?
    As I recall it was a combination of factors. Despite the Lightning's impressive performance numbers, the aircraft's other features were less attractive. According to the original story I heard, the plane was originally to be a large two place however, a subsequent market analysis showed that a four place was to be more attractive to the buyers, especially considering the rather high kit price. The problem though was that the interior would not accommodate the two aft seats so the designer put the two seats in the back facing aft. The buyers just didn't like that since it turns out folks don't like sitting facing to the rear.

    Then, like with most homebuilts, the great performance came at a price - size. The plane was quite small on the inside so the appeal to the larger market just wasn't there.

    And of course it also came out at a point where the economy was turning downward so spending on toys was dramatically reduced.

    It's a good example of a market where it's rarely one thing that kills a project. Usually it's a combination of things, especially in this case when the project was developed not so much to meet a recognized need but more so to satisfy the developers own goals.
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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Quote Originally Posted by Midniteoyl View Post
    Then again, I'm partial to this plane.. Composite Aircraft Technology
    I've always liked this plane, is it back on the market?
    Ron

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Quote Originally Posted by rheuschele View Post
    I've always liked this plane, is it back on the market?
    Ron
    Yep.. though right now they are working on prior kit/part fulfillment..
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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    Somewhat coincidental to this thread, a White Lighting has started flying out of KSZP while less than 10 miles away at KCMA, a newly hatched Wheeler Express made its first flight on Christmas Eve day. So come and visit and check them out....

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    Re: Best 4 Seat Homebuilt??

    I agree with autoreply. I also love the look of the Dyn'Aero MCR 4S.

    Celier (maker of the Xenon autogyro) do a version with a Rotax 912 with a Mitsubishi Turbo giving 135 HP. This makes for some even more impressive performance figures. See the link: CÚlier Aviation Airplanes

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