Thank you NeedsWings, I really appreciate that. Its not my first design and I'm sure it wont be the last. I think I'll continue with building and use it as a prototype for static testing and other things. In the mean time I have been doing a lot of reading on the mini max planes. They are cute little planes without a doubt. But one design that continually catches my eye is the skypup. Is it a legit plane? safe? The two axis control seems questionable but not crazy. The low cost, fast build time, ease of construction and gentle flying characteristics are appealing. Does anyone have experience with the skypup?